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Transcript from July 22, 2010 to July 23, 2010

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July 22, 2010
2:33 am neenancompany: @EarthAdapt We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:33 am neenancompany: @greenexistence We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:34 am neenancompany: @greenenergyblog We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:38 am wind4me: RT @neenancompany: @wind4me We're discussing renewable energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:41 am wind4me: @NeenanCompany #ReThinkGreen Great idea for the 2pm Conversation @AWEA @EWEA @WindBaron @CPWEA Thursday 2pm
3:04 am YannR: Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity without Government Subsidies? #RethinkGreen 2 PM ET Thursday, July 22nd http://ff.im/-o3ZlY
4:22 am neenancompany: @greenbiz We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
4:24 am LauraLCrum: @ecogeek We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
4:26 am neenancompany: @grist We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
4:43 am neenancompany: @inhabitat We're discussing clean energy & subsidies tomorrow. Are you interested in joining in? http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
1:21 pm WECC_Energy: Looking forward to the chat! RT @NeenanCompany: We're discussing renewable energy & subsidies tomorrow. http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
1:54 pm neenancompany: Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity without Government Subsidies? #RethinkGreen 2 PM ET Thursday, July 22nd http://ff.im/-o3ZlY
1:56 pm LauraLCrum: RT @NeenanCompany: Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity w/out Gov't Subsidies? #RethinkGreen 2 PM ET Today http://ff.im/-o3ZlY
2:00 pm KVanSant: RT @neenancompany: Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity w/o Gov't Subsidies? #RethinkGreen 2 PM ET Today http://ff.im/-o3ZlY
2:33 pm neenancompany: @AtlanticGrnPowr We're discussing renewables and subsidies today at 2 PM ET. Looking forward to seeing you there! Use #RethinkGreen
2:35 pm neenancompany: RT @WECC_Energy: Looking forward to the chat! @NeenanCompany Discussing renewable energy/subsidies today http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:38 pm HelioHub: RT @neenancompany: Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity without Government Subsidies? #RethinkGreen 2 PM ET Thursday, July 22nd http://ff.im/-o3ZlY
2:48 pm woweorg: RT @WECC_Energy: Looking forward to the chat! RT @NeenanCompany: We're discussing renewable energy & subsidies tomorrow. http://bit.ly/cQQ8si #RethinkGreen
2:59 pm OrionGrassroots: @NeenanCompany Sure #renewable energy can compete w/ fossil w/o support esp if latter give up their $550billion annual subsidy #RethinkGreen
3:12 pm MacDaley: I am excited for the conversation about government subsidies and renewable energy at 2PM EST! #RethinkGreen
3:35 pm neenancompany: @woweorg Hope you'll join us for the conversation on renewables and subsidies today at 2 PM EST!Use #RethinkGreen
3:35 pm neenancompany: RT @MacDaley: I am excited for the conversation about government subsidies and renewable energy at 2PM EST! #RethinkGreen
4:02 pm karen_propp: Join the Twitter Convo! Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity without Government Subsidies? 7/22 2pm EST #RethinkGreen
5:01 pm 15minutesmedia: Join the Twitter Convo! Can/Should Renewable Energy Reach Price Parity without Government Subsidies? 7/22 2pm EST #RethinkGreen
5:45 pm neenancompany: We're talking about renewable energy reaching price parity w/fossil fuels with & without govt' subsidies in 15 mins. Join us! #RethinkGreen
6:01 pm neenancompany: Welcome to our conversation on renewable energy and government subsidies! Please use hashtag #RethinkGreen.
6:05 pm LauraLCrum: I'm unsure about whether it CAN reach it presently but I think it SHOULD be able to #RethinkGreen.
6:06 pm WECC_Energy: It will be very difficult, we're not equal footing - look how subsidized fossil fuels are http://ht.ly/2fcvQ #RethinkGreen
6:07 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: It will be very difficult, we're not equal footing - look how subsidized fossil fuels are http://ht.ly/2fcvQ #RethinkGreen
6:08 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy that's very true. Is there a way to equalize that? #RethinkGreen
6:09 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy What if we reallocated all of that? I wonder how that would play out.... #RethinkGreen
6:09 pm neenancompany: Great graphic on fossil fuel subsidies: RT @WECC_Energy: It will be difficult, we're not equal footing : http://ht.ly/2fcvQ #RethinkGreen
6:15 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy but will that be gov't subsidized since the mandate? What's the initial cost per value? #RethinkGreen
6:15 pm neenancompany: Is Exec Order 13514 enough? RT @WECC_Energy: need to pass a true RES like the one advocated by @AWEA http://ht.ly/2fcHE #RethinkGreen
6:17 pm neenancompany: RT @OrionGrassroots: Renewable energy can compete w/ fossil w/o support esp if latter give up their $550bill annual subsidy #RethinkGreen
6:17 pm LauraLCrum: hm....what if we took away fossil fuels subsidy and passed that along to green energy? Or at least split it.... #RethinkGreen
6:18 pm WECC_Energy: Need to start seeing value as more than dollar amts, see the removal of risk(oil spills, mine collapses) & the enviro benefits #RethinkGreen
6:20 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy that's a very good point, but can get wholesale agreement on that? How can we convince the masses? #RethinkGreen
6:20 pm KVanSant: Understanding externalities right? Enviro Econ 101. RT @WECC_Energy: Need to start seeing value as more than $ amts #RethinkGreen
6:21 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy @TuleWind Do you think BP oil spill will change public opinion about the massive subsidies for fossil fuels? #RethinkGreen
6:22 pm WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum we need to educate ppl - most feel like renewable energy is out of their reach, they should feel entitled 2 it #RethinkGreen
6:23 pm neenancompany: Changing minds: RT @WECC_Energy: Need to start seeing value as more than $ amts, see the removal of risk & the enviro benefits #RethinkGreen
6:23 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany I don't think most ppl are aware of it. Again, comes down 2 education. If educated, ppl feel empowered #RethinkGreen
6:24 pm neenancompany: @denversolarguy What are you thoughts on solar reaching price parity with fossil fuels with or w/o gov't subsidies? #RethinkGreen
6:24 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy but can we educate privately or should we get gov't involved? #RethinkGreen
6:24 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany we must also take responsibility. The oil is for our use bc we have not made lifestyle changes to cut demand #RethinkGreen
6:25 pm LauraLCrum: RT @WECC_Energy: we must also take responsibility. The oil is for our use bc we have not made lifestyle changes to cut demand #RethinkGreen
6:26 pm neenancompany: Does gov?t need to become the largest consumer of green power to reach a price parity? #RethinkGreen http://tinyurl.com/2eldqly
6:26 pm WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum gov involvement would help & would help legitimize the mission but private entities must take the lead #RethinkGreen
6:29 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany It would help if the gov would lead by example & reduce their consumption, use renewable resources #RethinkGreen
6:31 pm LauraLCrum: I think that if the gov't would step up and claim renewable the concept would be less foreign/"liberal" and more appealing.... #RethinkGreen
6:32 pm neenancompany: @wind4me Would love to know your thoughts on renewables and subsidies! #RethinkGreen
6:33 pm YannR: ditto RT @neenancompany: @wind4me Would love to know your thoughts on renewables and subsidies! #RethinkGreen
6:41 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy Is the gov leading by example, new energy policy or education most important in expanding access to green power? #RethinkGreen
6:41 pm LauraLCrum: to what end would that taxing be? What's the hope? #RethinkGreen
6:42 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany both will lead there. Education will cause ppl to demand access. Policy will make it affordable. #RethinkGreen
6:44 pm TuleWind: @NeenanCompany fortunately there has been talk about reducing subsidies. however, oil industry will fight to the end #rethinkgreen
6:44 pm LauraLCrum: @TuleWind that's true...and they have lots of high level supporters #RethinkGreen
6:44 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy Do you think the pending #climatebill will meet this policy need? #RethinkGreen
6:45 pm danyasophia: government needs to subsidize infrastructural integration if green energy is to be affordable for everyone #rethinkgreen
6:46 pm neenancompany: @TuleWind Instead of gov?t subsides for renewables, should fossil fuels be taxed? #RethinkGreen
6:46 pm danyasophia: It would be nice if "parity" included the value of the environment, not just cash #rethinkgreen
6:47 pm TuleWind: @neenancompany $240million of that went to BP. public needs greater awareness of subsidies for oil #rethinkgreen
6:47 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum we need to educate ppl - most feel like renewable energy is out of their reach, they should feel entitled 2 it #RethinkGreen
6:48 pm LauraLCrum: @danyasophia @WECC_Energy seems like you both agree on the necessity to devalue cash (no pun intended) and elevate enviro #RethinkGreen
6:49 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany it's a necessary first step #RethinkGreen
6:49 pm neenancompany: @TuleWind Can we rely on public awareness or does government or private industry need to lead? #RethinkGreen
6:50 pm danyasophia: fuel for green energy is free, sun/wind. price comes from tech. dev. and integration. how much does tech factor in oil prices? #rethinkgreen
6:50 pm WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum @danyasophia absolutely, the negatives of fossil fuels are environmental & social #RethinkGreen
6:51 pm WECC_Energy: @danyasophia key there - renewable fuels require innovation & education. Good for our society #RethinkGreen
6:51 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy can you elaborate on the social aspect? #RethinkGreen
6:54 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany Wind is clean, Wind is competitive, Wind is going to be China Power Source 2020 #RethinkGreen
6:54 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: RT @WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum @danyasophia absolutely, the negatives of fossil fuels are environmental & social #RethinkGreen
6:55 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: @WECC_Energy Do you think the pending #climatebill will meet this policy need? #RethinkGreen
6:55 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: Instead of gov?t subsides for renewables, should fossil fuels be taxed? #RethinkGreen
6:55 pm WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum Fossil fuels allow us to focus on "me" ignore consequences & science not a good message to teach the next gen #RethinkGreen
6:55 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany TAX ALL CARBON FUELS and place the focus on RENEWABLES , why should we Pollute ourselves to death? #RethinkGreen
6:56 pm TuleWind: @neenancompany public awareness alone won't cut it. like @wecc_energy said, people support but dont know how to access. #rethinkgreen
6:56 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany When Gasoline was $5 per gallon, everyone THOUGHT Renewable Energies and alternative transportation #RethinkGreen
6:56 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy that's so very true and I think an aspect not highlighted enough in the debate #RethinkGreen
6:57 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany @TuleWind Companies like GOOGLE and @WholeFoods must lead by example into Wind @RenewableChoice Leads #rethinkGreen
6:57 pm KVanSant: RT @wind4me: @NeenanCompany TAX ALL CARBON FUELS & place the focus on RENEWABLES , why should we Pollute ourselves to death? #RethinkGreen
6:57 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum Fossil fuels allow us to focus on "me" ignore consequences & science not a good message to teach the next gen #RethinkGreen
6:58 pm danyasophia: @TuleWind Agreed, access is key, people will choose green if they can but won't stop using energy if they can't #rethinkgreen
6:58 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: Does gov?t need to become the largest consumer of green power to reach a price parity? #RethinkGreen http://tinyurl.com/2eldqly
6:59 pm TuleWind: @neenancompany good ex of gov leading is california. state requires 1/3 #renewable by 2020. private develops source. #rethinkgreen
7:00 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany Why is China going to build the MOST Wind Power in World beginning in 2012??? #RethinkGreen
7:01 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany Why does USA only have 1 single company ($GE) in the TOP 30 in the WORLD in #WindPower ??? #RethinkGreen
7:01 pm danyasophia: @neenancompany gov has enormous purchasing power, helps a lot and sets an example if they buy green #rethinkgreen
7:01 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany our Nuclear Example is an example of why the USA Capitalistic system does NOT work without Energy Policy #rethinkGreen
7:01 pm TuleWind: all this talk of oil subsidies, let's also help orgs in washington like @citizensclimate who lobby for ending subsidies. #rethinkgreen
7:01 pm neenancompany: @TuleWind So you would say gov involvement (subsidies, policies etc) are necessary for renewables reaching a price parity? #RethinkGreen
7:02 pm WECC_Energy: RT @TuleWind: all this talk of oil subsidies, let's also help orgs in washington like @citizensclimate who lobby for ending subsidies. #rethinkgreen
7:03 pm LauraLCrum: RT @danyasophia: @neenancompany gov has enormous purchasing power, helps a lot and sets an example if they buy green #rethinkgreen
7:03 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany $GE has built 13,000 1.5mw's Wind Turbines but is now moving to a 2.5 MW Wind Turbine #rethinkGreen Sinovel rolling out 5's
7:04 pm TuleWind: RT @danyasophia: @neenancompany gov has enormous purchasing power, helps a lot and sets an example if they buy green #rethinkgreen
7:04 pm wind4me: RT @KVanSant: RT @wind4me: @NeenanCompany TAX ALL CARBON FUELS & place the focus on RENEWABLES , why should we Pollute ourselves to death? #RethinkGreen
7:04 pm wind4me: RT @WECC_Energy: @wind4me very difficult for ppl to be mad at a system that they are a part of. By showing a way out we allow them 2 be mad #RethinkGreen
7:04 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy So bringing in the non-profit/advocate community is key too? #RethinkGreen
7:05 pm wind4me: @WECC_Energy only way OUT of this ENERGY NIGHTMARE ((BP)) is go renewable Energy and get away from Oil Dependence #RethinkGreen
7:06 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany @wholefoods LEADS by EXAMPLE, Google just wrote 20 year check for 114 MW's of Wind Power #RethinkGreen @renewableChoice
7:08 pm neenancompany: RT @WECC_Energy: Yes. Renewable fuels are in the best interest of humanity. Must bring in the human element, get ppl involved #RethinkGreen
7:09 pm neenancompany: @wind4me So private industry must lead as well as government? Should businesses get more tax breaks for green pwr purchasing? #RethinkGreen
7:09 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: RT @WECC_Energy: Yes. Renewable fuels are in the best interest of humanity. Must bring in the human element, get ppl involved #RethinkGreen
7:10 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany why is USA the ONLY DEVELOPED country in WORLD not REQUIRING CFL light bulbs to conserve Power ?? #rethinkGreen
7:10 pm neenancompany: @amercado58 Thanks for joining in! What are your thoughts on gov subsides for renewables vs fossil fuels? #RethinkGreen
7:10 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: @wind4me So private industry must lead as well as government? Should businesses get more tax breaks for green pwr purchasing? #RethinkGreen
7:11 pm TuleWind: @neenancompany some would say we are already close to price parity. interesting read by @earth2017 here: http://bit.ly/bt7Z83 #rethinkgreen
7:11 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany HELL YES for public companies to get credits for PURCHASING GREEN POWER #RethinkGreen
7:12 pm KVanSant: RT @wind4me: @NeenanCompany HELL YES for public companies to get credits for PURCHASING GREEN POWER #RethinkGreen
7:12 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany Yes. Renewable fuels are in the best interest of humanity. Must bring in the human element, get ppl involved #RethinkGreen
7:12 pm TuleWind: RT @wind4me: @NeenanCompany @wholefoods LEADS by EXAMPLE, Google just wrote 20 year check for 114 MW's of Wind Power #RethinkGreen @renewableChoice
7:13 pm wind4me: @WECC_Energy Europe does not have ''''cheap dirty coal'''' like USA so we just POLLUTE to Salute the red , white, and blue #rethinkGreen
7:13 pm wind4me: @WECC_Energy @neenanCompany Two MOST BIGGEST POLLUTERS...........China and USA, Cheap Coal Talks #rethinkGreen
7:14 pm neenancompany: Great read - thx for sharing! RT @TuleWind: we're already close to price parity. @earth2017 here: http://bit.ly/bt7Z83 #rethinkgreen
7:15 pm wind4me: @bfeld When do the Brad Felds and the @Bogusky folks start investing into Wind Power ???? #RethinkGreen
7:16 pm neenancompany: @wind4me Bringing us back to the question of whether subsidies can overpower the cheapness of coal. #RethinkGreen
7:16 pm TuleWind: pls join #rethinkgreen discussion with @wecc_energy @neenancompany @wind4me @LauraLCrum @danyasophia @KVanSant. keep this going!
7:17 pm wind4me: RT @TuleWind: pls join #rethinkgreen discussion with @wecc_energy @neenancompany @wind4me @LauraLCrum @danyasophia @KVanSant. keep this going!
7:17 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: @wind4me Bringing us back to the question of whether subsidies can overpower the cheapness of coal. #RethinkGreen
7:17 pm WECC_Energy: RT @TuleWind: pls join #rethinkgreen discussion with @wecc_energy @neenancompany @wind4me @LauraLCrum @danyasophia @KVanSant. keep this going!
7:17 pm TuleWind: @citizensclimate keep up the great work and mission! #rethinkgreen
7:18 pm wind4me: RT @TuleWind: @citizensclimate keep up the great work and mission! #rethinkgreen
7:19 pm neenancompany: @wind4me We actually featured @bfeld in a recent blog: http://tinyurl.com/2749u7y. Hopefully he'll join us! #RethinkGreen
7:19 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany the subsidies work both ways. Could also remove the billions surrounding fossil fuels. Might upset some folks. #RethinkGreen
7:19 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany Cheap aint always the BEST, ie COAL has hidden Killers, Hidden Dangers ((Inconvienient Truth), Higher CO2 #rethinkGreen
7:19 pm amercado58: RT @TuleWind: pls join #rethinkgreen discussion with @wecc_energy @neenancompany @wind4me @LauraLCrum @danyasophia @KVanSant. keep this going!
7:19 pm wind4me: RT @neenancompany: @wind4me We actually featured @bfeld in a recent blog: http://tinyurl.com/2749u7y. Hopefully he'll join us! #RethinkGreen
7:20 pm wind4me: @NeenanCompany Vestas Signed 570MW Wind Farm in California putting 4000 Colorado folks into #JOBS #RethinkGreen China understands this!
7:21 pm WECC_Energy: @wind4me this is the 1st generation of kids not expected to live as long their parents did. Power should energize not kill #RethinkGreen
7:22 pm danyasophia: @tulewind @wind4me do you see differences in the road to parity between wind and other renewables, solar, biofuels etc? #rethinkgreen
7:22 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy From Tread Dept: Cutting oil subsidies would drop US oil product less than 1/2 1%/yr. Cut & give to green? #RethinkGreen
7:23 pm neenancompany: RT @wind4me: @NeenanCompany Vestas Signed 570MW Wind Farm in California putting 4000 Colorado folks into #JOBS #RethinkGreen
7:23 pm neenancompany: RT @danyasophia: @tulewind @wind4me do you see dif in the road to parity btwn wind and other renewables, solar, biofuels etc? #rethinkgreen
7:26 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany ask any person if they want their $ "donated" to a CLEAN energy company or to a BP or a Massey Energy EZ choice #RethinkGreen
7:29 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy It could be an issue of 'framing' - helping public understand subsidies mean their tax dollars support dirty pwr #RethinkGreen
7:29 pm danyasophia: Friends! Plz join our conversation on renewable energy price parity at #RethinkGreen.
7:31 pm TuleWind: @danyasophia good question. depends on region's ideal suitability for renewable tech. but many can use diff tech together. #rethinkgreen
7:32 pm TuleWind: @danyasophia with natural energy there are many variables in production, so ideally regions balance out with multi tech #rethinkgreen
7:32 pm neenancompany: Thx to everyone for joining our #RethinkGreen convo! We've had some great points made by @WECC_Energy @wind4me @danyasophia @tulewind!
7:33 pm LauraLCrum: @WECC_Energy hm....so what would be the ideal frame here? #RethinkGreen
7:33 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany ask any person if they want their $ "donated" to a CLEAN energy company or to a BP or a Massey Energy EZ choice #RethinkGreen
7:33 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany agreed. Difficult for ppl to get mad if they feel trapped, are tricked in2 fearing high prices n unreliable pwr #RethinkGreen
7:33 pm TuleWind: RT @neenancompany: Thx to everyone for joining our #RethinkGreen convo! We've had some great points made by @WECC_Energy @wind4me @danyasophia @tulewind!
7:35 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy @TuleWind @wind4me What should the next #RethinkGreen Twitter convo focus on?
7:37 pm WECC_Energy: @LauraLCrum reminding every1 that they have control, choices and a voice. Showing how their money is being used to harm them #RethinkGreen
7:39 pm WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany would love to discuss how renewable power is impacting education, communities & what more can be done #RethinkGreen
7:40 pm KVanSant: Great to follow #RethinkGreen convo with @WECC_Energy @wind4me @danyasophia @tulewind @LauraLCrum @amercado58!
7:42 pm neenancompany: @WECC_Energy That would be a great topic - thx for the suggestion. We'll add it to the list. Stay tuned! #RethinkGreen
7:43 pm TuleWind: RT @WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany would love to discuss how renewable power is impacting education, communities & what more can be done #RethinkGreen
8:01 pm davidzilar: #rethinkgreen, please have more discussions in the future about this exciting topic
8:03 pm neenancompany: Thanks WECC! RT @WECC_Energy: @NeenanCompany thank you for hosting & thank you to all who contributed, great discussion! #RethinkGreen
8:04 pm TuleWind: RT @KVanSant: Great to follow #RethinkGreen convo with @WECC_Energy @wind4me @danyasophia @tulewind @LauraLCrum @amercado58!
8:05 pm neenancompany: We will! A new topic in the next week or 2. RT @davidzilar: #rethinkgreen Plz have more discussions in the future about this exciting topic
9:38 pm neenancompany: Sure is! RT @TuleWind: @neenancompany again, thank you for hosting today's #rethinkgreen discussion! Amazing what we can do w/40 characters.
 
July 23, 2010
12:13 pm wind4me: RT @KVanSant: Great to follow #RethinkGreen convo with @WECC_Energy @wind4me @danyasophia @tulewind @LauraLCrum @amercado58!