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April 8, 2010
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10:31 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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30mins till our EVENING #SAchat. We've got #studentaffairs busting through our Reality TVs! http://bit.ly/bp3SgS |
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10:36 pm
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ARL275:
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searching for my #sachat soundtrack |
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10:40 pm
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JGinese23:
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Seriously considering skipping the haircut so I don't miss #sachat. Ugh this is ridiculous. |
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10:43 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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And now you can clearly see that I'm a newbie! I've figured it out before #sachat starts though! |
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10:44 pm
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Kathy_Petras:
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Won't be able to #sachat tonight due to an Admissions Event, but if people are video chatting after, let me know! |
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10:47 pm
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JGinese23:
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Will be late to #sachat but def catch second half of it. This will be 2 in a row if I miss. Withdrawl effects starting... |
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10:50 pm
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slhealy:
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Not only could I make it to an entire #sachat this afternoon, but I'll be in attendance at the evening one as well. #sachat #overachiever |
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10:51 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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Check out the #SAchat Twibe group to find everyone who participates in #SAchat: http://www.twibes.com/group/sachat |
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10:51 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@slhealy We award bonus points for that kind of attendance. #sachat |
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10:53 pm
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sarahhcraddock:
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Your regularly scheduled #sachat has been preempted by the duty phone induced naptime. |
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10:56 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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First time joining the #SAchat? Start here > http://bit.ly/bp3SgS |
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10:56 pm
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edcabellon:
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Peeks in to say hi to all in #sachat, have fun tonight :-) |
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11:00 pm
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lvanlysal:
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Joining #sachat for the next hour. It's been awhile since I attended an evening chat |
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11:00 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@lvanlysal Good news! We saved a seat on the couch for you tonight! #sachat |
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11:01 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Officially welcoming everyone to this week's EVENING #SAchat !!! Let's get our #SAchat on! |
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11:01 pm
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ARL275:
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i was dealing hold 'em poker during this afternoon's #sachat. i have shed the dealer get-up and i'm all in for the evening version =) |
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11:02 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: New to the #SAchat? Stand up and introduce yourself. |
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11:02 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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This afternoons SAchat was tweetgrid. We'll see how tweetchat treats me this evening. #sachat |
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11:02 pm
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lvanlysal:
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Hi #sachat. I do marketing/communication for University Housing at UW-Milwaukee. Been here 5 years. Pretty good fit so far. |
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11:02 pm
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slhealy:
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Roll call: Shannon Healy, student affairs Masters student. Someday hoping to be a professional! #sachat |
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11:03 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@ARL275 The green visor would have been a nice touch tonight, along with some "know when to fold them" references. #sachat |
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11:03 pm
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beekayroot:
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Pardon my excessive #sachat tweets for the next hour... or you can join the #sachat. |
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11:03 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@NASPAtweets Let me now which you prefer, tweetgrid or tweetchat. #sachat |
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11:03 pm
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gracefama:
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Hello! Grace Fama, Coordinator for Leadership Development at SUNY Binghamton, have been here about 3 years #sachat |
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11:03 pm
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beekayroot:
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#sachat Asst. Dir. of Reslife at Univ. of Virginia's College at Wise |
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11:03 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@NASPAtweets Or you could let me *know* :) #sachat |
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11:04 pm
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StacyLOliver:
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Stacy. Housing. Mostly planning to lurk. That plan was foiled this afternoon. #sachat |
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11:04 pm
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ARL275:
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@The_SA_Blog know when to hold 'em - i'm just gettin' started #sachat |
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11:04 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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I'm new...Leslie Page, Asst. Director of Orientation. Excited to see my first #sachat |
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11:04 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@debrasanborn You know it's bad when you don't even notice the difference in spelling. =) #sachat |
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11:04 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@ARL275 Immediately following tonight's chat will be a Kenny Rogers karaoke competition. #sachat |
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11:05 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@LeslieMPage Welcome, Leslie! We love having new friends! #sachat |
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11:05 pm
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NikiRudolph:
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Niki, Mich State...lurking while wrangling two little girls for bedtime. #sachat |
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11:05 pm
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ARL275:
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@The_SA_Blog i'm gonna need a bar to stand on. the best karaoke comes from standing on things other than the floor #sachat |
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11:06 pm
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cindykane:
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Hi #sachat... popping in for a few before parenting duties prevail... Cindy from THE Bridgewater State College (MA) |
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11:06 pm
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willistj:
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hey #sachat TJ here nc state campus activ. coming to you while waiting to get my hair cut |
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11:06 pm
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brianleduc:
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Brian, Senior at #RWU, Texas A&M SAAHE grad student. Lurking and learning :-) #sachat |
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11:06 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@LeslieMPage Hi Leslie! Welcome. I'm with Iowa State, dean of students office. #sachat |
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11:07 pm
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ARL275:
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@willistj best #sachat multitask |
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11:07 pm
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gracefama:
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@willistj I love mobile technology! Professional development on the go! #sachat |
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11:07 pm
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ARL275:
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#zackattack and @esdahms are running around outside like crazies leaving me a nice quiet house in which to #sachat |
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11:08 pm
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debsmith25:
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Hi! First-timer... I'm Deb, currently a Residence Life Coordinator at Texas Tech, on vacation in NC! #sachat http://myloc.me/5MT7X |
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11:08 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Nathan Victoria, coordinate #TPE and #saplacement stuff for NASPA..well...among other things. =) #sachat |
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11:08 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Afternoon recap - group discussed defining institutional fit, researching institutions, and appropriate steps when in a bad fit #sachat |
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11:08 pm
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willistj:
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@arl275 there was someone who did #sachat from the grocery store before i think! |
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11:08 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Please include the question number in your response to help our home audience follow along. #sachat |
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11:08 pm
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beekayroot:
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#sachat I'm too cheap to upgrade to a blackberry or mobile device. I have my boring cellphone still. No prof dev't on the go for me |
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11:08 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@NASPAtweets Glad that you intro'd as I was totally talking to you as if you were Kaaryn. :) #sachat |
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11:09 pm
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ARL275:
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@willistj yea, but they didn't have another person's hands near their face armed with scissors. i think you win for most gutsy #sachat |
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11:09 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q1: How you define institutional fit? What are the most important factors for you in finding a new professional home? #sachat |
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11:09 pm
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slhealy:
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Tweeting live from class this week, and @ShawnaClark7 is sitting next to me! #sachat |
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11:09 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@willistj Pretty sure the @JGinese23 is currently having his locks trimmed as well. #sachat |
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11:10 pm
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kelseyk:
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@slhealy Is this part of your class or sneaky tweeting? #sachat |
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11:10 pm
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ARL275:
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@The_SA_Blog sharing an office with people you like! #sachat |
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11:10 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@debrasanborn teehee. =) you'll learn soon...i'm more colloquial #sachat |
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11:10 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q1 Knowing that my professional goals and aspirations match with the institution's, and the office of employment. #sachat |
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11:10 pm
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gracefama:
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Q1 I think institutional fit is about aligning personal values and institution values. #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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slhealy:
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Q1: I realized the importance of not only asking questions about fit, but hearing the answers and how it's communicated. #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q1 Knowing that my professional goals and aspirations match with the institution's, and the office of employment. #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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ARL275:
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@The_SA_Blog Q1: a work environment that you can be yourself #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @gracefama: Q1 I think institutional fit is about aligning personal values and institution values. #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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using #sachat to prove that online collaboration can work for a leadership class right now
#sachat |
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11:11 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q1: I "fit" if I feel needed and appreciated, have an ability to contribute, don't go home angry every night, admire colleagues |
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11:11 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q1: Finding a place that brings out the best in you professionally; challenges your potential; values align #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Ditto @ARL275 working with people you enjoy and an environment you enjoy (windows are a plus!) #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Q1 Connection with office/support staff/supervisor on a personal level. For me, this helps me achieve work/life balance #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @ARL275: Q1: a work environment that you can be yourself #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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beekayroot:
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Q1. I'm with @ARL275... it's about sharing an office with people you like. #sachat |
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11:11 pm
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uppervalleymom:
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Will be in and out of #sachat - picking up daughter from AAU practice! Trying to follow along on Twitter mobile is tough.. |
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11:11 pm
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slhealy:
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@kelseyk Oh, I'm sneaky tweeting! Double the education, double the fun! #sachat |
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11:12 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@MikeJHamilton Do you need us to provide glowing recommendations of your work? :) #sachat |
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11:12 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q1: Finding a place that brings out the best in you professionally; challenges your potential; values align #sachat |
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11:12 pm
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uppervalleymom:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: using #sachat to prove that online collaboration can work for a leadership class right now
#sachat |
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11:12 pm
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willistj:
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#sachat q1 inst fit: alignment of your values and goals w/ the way the dept/inst functions with some room for growth |
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11:12 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@debrasanborn so looking forward to when NASPA moves, and I get to see natural sunlight. The pod thing w/o sunlight gets old. #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q1: I also need to know that I can speak my mind, that social justice and inclusion is valued, as well as professional development |
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11:13 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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they are all looking at me skeptically and not believing twitter works. #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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EMACAdvise:
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Evening, #sachat. Julie, Academic Advisor. Will be in and out. |
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11:13 pm
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slhealy:
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Q1: I think institutional fit should also encompass fit with local area as well. #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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ARL275:
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RT @ARL275: Q1: you fit if you feel accepted, involved, comfortable, excited and happy to be there #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q1 Finding a place where you know there are opportunities for growth, collaboration, development. #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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gracefama:
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Q1 When finding a new professional home, I look for the ability to build relationships, that we speak the same professional langauge #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q1: I think reciprocity is crucial - finding a place that you can both contribute to and grow from in a positive direction #sachat |
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11:13 pm
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ARL275:
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@DebraSanborn if you keep going back to a place without windows, you must really like it there =) #sachat |
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11:14 pm
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gracefama:
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RT @kelseyk: Q1: I think reciprocity is crucial - finding a place that you can contribute to and grow from in a positive direction #sachat |
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11:14 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q1: I think reciprocity is crucial - finding a place that you can both contribute and grow from in a positive direction #sachat |
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11:14 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q1 Finding a place where you know there are opportunities for growth, collaboration, development. #sachat |
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11:14 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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Q1--I think institutional fit also means you see yourself learning and growing from colleagues and especially your supervisor #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q2: Lots of mentions of values. What are your methods for researching an institution's values? Where/how do you get that info? #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q1 Wow, struck a nerve with the window comment. I have beautiful windows, but perhaps many SA professionals do not? #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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NikiRudolph:
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Q1: I also think that fit is when you (your skills/strengths) complement and are complemented by those around you. #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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lelambeth:
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@MikeJHamilton online collaboration is what keeps many leaders and professionals motivated and refreshed. Join the bandwagon! #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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clconzen:
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Q1 institutional fit is also about your fit with the surrounding community, especially if it is far from home #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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gracefama:
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I think student culture is also important. I knew one school didn't fit because the culture was very military, and that's not me! #sachat |
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11:15 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Q1. Finding a place that will challenge me professional and personally, but also a place that will let me challenge it right back. #sachat |
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11:16 pm
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beekayroot:
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#sachat @debrasanborn I have no windows.... very sad |
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11:16 pm
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gracefama:
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@debrasanborn I'm staring at gray cement blocks right now. Can't even paint it! #sachat |
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11:16 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q2: I think you can ascertain values from conversations with current staff, review of newsletters and publications, etc |
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11:16 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @NASPAtweets: Q1. Finding a place that will challenge me professional and personally, but also will let me challenge it back #sachat |
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11:16 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Q2. I like getting the "alternative" newspaper when doing an on-site to get a sense of the culture of the area. #sachat |
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11:16 pm
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slhealy:
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@DebraSanborn I am one of the only grads in the dept that has windows in their office. Makes a big difference in attitude. #sachat |
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11:16 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q2: As someone seeking entry positions, I look to what programs and services are offered; look for collaboration, positive attitudes #sachat |
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11:17 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @lvanlysal: Q2: I think you can ascertain values from conversations with current staff, review of newsletters and publications #sachat |
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11:17 pm
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gracefama:
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RT @clconzen: Q1 institutional fit is also about your fit with the surrounding community, especially if it is far from home #sachat |
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11:17 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @NASPAtweets: Q2. I like getting the "alternative" newspaper when doing an on-site to get a sense of the culture of the area. #sachat |
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11:17 pm
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beekayroot:
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Q2. #sachat I have a journalism background, so I'm big on reading student & community publications/newspapers |
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11:18 pm
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slhealy:
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Q2: Vision of both university and dept is important. Read the website, but much nicer to see it in action. #sachat |
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11:18 pm
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clconzen:
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Q2 look at org charts, see structure of #studentaffairs, how it fits into institution
#sachat |
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11:18 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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hey all...getting in a bit late. had a little car trouble. :( #sachat |
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11:18 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@beekayroot Excellent point. We should all be using our interests/backgrounds to guide our searches. #sachat |
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11:18 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @slhealy: Q2: Vision of both university and dept is important. Read the website, but much nicer to see it in action. #sachat |
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11:18 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q2: If on a campus, I like seeing what the people who *aren't* interviewing are doing, who they're interacting with #sachat |
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11:18 pm
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NikiRudolph:
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@NASPAtweets: Q2: Agreed. Seeing the informal conversations (FB gps, convos in union, etc) are very telling. #sachat |
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11:19 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q2: If on a campus, I like seeing what the people who *aren't* interviewing are doing, who they're interacting with #sachat |
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11:19 pm
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gracefama:
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Q2 - talk to people. Read position description - what are the key words that you're looking for? #sachat |
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11:19 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@kelseyk It's so important to look at what those who weren't vetted for the interviews are doing and how they're interacting. #sachat |
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11:19 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q2 I want to know who ISN;T being included in a search process and what that says #sachat |
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11:19 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Google your prospective institution, read page 10 of the search. Dig for alternative perspectives and how they are handled. #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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beekayroot:
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@ARL275 Haha, at least there's some potential. I'd have to cut a hole in my wall. #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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one school i interviewed with even listed their maintenance staff on the "contact us" page - says a lot #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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StacyLOliver:
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Q2: Know the answer you're expecting to the questions you're asking. Have an idea of what you want; don't be sold on their verbage. #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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slhealy:
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@JennaMagnuski How do you find that out? Or find those people? #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@NikiRudolph I was interviewing at one school and students in union didn't know the department when I asked. Bad sign! #sachat |
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11:20 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Google prospective institution, read pg 10 of the search. Dig for alternative perspectives & how they are handled. #sachat |
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11:21 pm
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beekayroot:
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#sachat I wonder if those interviewing during summer months get a much different experience than during school year. |
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11:21 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@NASPAtweets Major red flags on that one! #sachat |
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11:21 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@slhealy formulating now...still unsure! #sachat |
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11:21 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @beekayroot: I wonder if those interviewing during summer months get a much different experience than during school year. #sachat |
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11:22 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@beekayroot Definitely. I was a summer interview. The campus congestion, parking, eating, traveling during school year vastly diff. #sachat |
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11:22 pm
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pendingtitle:
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Q2: ask for a strategic plan through your prof. network see where they are headed in 3,5,10 years #sachat |
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11:22 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @pendingtitle: Q2: ask for a strategic plan through your prof. network see where they are headed in 3,5,10 years #sachat |
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11:23 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@pendingtitle Great point. Always ask for more resources than what they offer. Dig deeper! #sachat |
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11:23 pm
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slhealy:
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I think what has been the most difficult thing is when institution thinks you're a good fit when you know otherwise. #jobhunt #sachat |
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11:23 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q2 Has anyone mentioned students? Get a student perspective always. And NOT the *scheduled* students. #sachat |
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11:23 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @slhealy: I think what has been the most difficult thing is when institution thinks you're a good fit when you know otherwise. #sachat |
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11:23 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@slhealy partial answer by asking "who else would you have included in this interview process if you had unlimited time?" #sachat |
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11:24 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q2 Has anyone mentioned students? Get a student perspective always. And NOT the *scheduled* students. #sachat |
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11:24 pm
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BeccaFick:
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Missing #sachat tonight, but engaging in some awesome leadership chats with my students instead :) |
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11:24 pm
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jmlu:
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just got off a phone interview, will jump in at Q3... #sachat |
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11:25 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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Q2 Get "lost" on campus and see if the students help you and where they send you. That way they don't know you're testing them out! #sachat |
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11:25 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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@beekayroot it would be hard on both the institution and the candidate ... It would be a very different exp on my campus. #sachat |
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11:25 pm
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DougS39:
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#sachat Structure of the interview says a lot. Students on a committee can be good, but 45 students may be a bit much. Helps you find fit |
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11:25 pm
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pendingtitle:
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how an institution communicates is necessary, where does it breakdown?more people rely on e-mail and it is inefficient/cold #sachat |
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11:25 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q3: Despite best intention, we sometimes end up in bad situations. How do you navigate bad fit? What are appropriate steps? #sachat |
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11:25 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@LeslieMPage really interesting idea! #sachat |
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11:26 pm
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pendingtitle:
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also the perspective of other 'new' hires, how did they adjust what is their impression #sachat |
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11:26 pm
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clconzen:
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Q3 talk to supervisor 1st about issues, see if any can be remedied #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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StacyLOliver:
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I do reverse reference checks -- ask for a former employee's contact info to talk about their experience, what they gained, etc. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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gracefama:
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Q3 - Self reflection. What isn't fitting? First see if you can change your attitude before you think of changing jobs #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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CledaWang:
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Going to jump into #sachat for a bit...getting ready for Casino Night...largest program of the year! :) |
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11:27 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q3: Find ways to enhance experience and skills outside required responsibilities-- join committees on- or off-campus, volunteer #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @clconzen: Q3 talk to supervisor 1st about issues, see if any can be remedied #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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slhealy:
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I have appreciated the opportunity to meet the person leaving the position. Was it a bad fit for them or a bad job overall? #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @gracefama: Q3 - Self reflection. What isn't fitting? First see if you can change your attitude before you think of changing jobs #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Q3. Voice your fit concerns. Sometimes a misperception. Sometimes a reality. Super can help facilitate solving problem. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q3: See if it's the institution, or your position/staff. Talk to you supervisor to see if things can change (you or others) |
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11:27 pm
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jmlu:
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Q3: After connecting to supervisor, I default to always doing what is best for both self, and for the institution. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q3 Step back for a moment and reassess. Is it one thing or a bunch. Speak with a trusted colleague or mentor for their perspective. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q3 re-evaluate your expectations - were they realistic? may need to recalibrate and try again before assuming it's "bad fit" #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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@LeslieMPage getting lost is hard when interview has all time scheduled for interviews. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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jpkirch:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q2 Has anyone mentioned students? Get a student perspective always. And NOT the *scheduled* students. #sachat |
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11:27 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q3: Find ways to enhance experience and skills outside required responsibilities-- join committees, volunteer #sachat |
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11:28 pm
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clconzen:
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Q3 but also don't be afraid to leave if you see yourself as the square peg and institution as the round hole #sachat |
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11:28 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @JennaMagnuski: Q3 re-evaluate your expectations - were they realistic? may need to recalibrate before assuming it's "bad fit" #sachat |
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11:28 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @clconzen: Q3 but also don't be afraid to leave if you see yourself as the square peg and institution as the round hole #sachat |
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11:28 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q3 You also may need to stop first and acknowledge the bad fit feeling. Stress manifests in many ways. Clear your head and organize. #sachat |
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11:28 pm
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pendingtitle:
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Q3) seek counsel from a mentor who has enough distance from your dept.-remain honest, voice concerns, create a culture for change #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q3: Be practical about what you can change; if it's a policy, that may be different from an entire culture #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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jpkirch:
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Q2: Check out videos on YouTube about institution. Interesting way to guage student culture! #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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cindykane:
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@OrchardKeeper Arrive early to the interview or stay late... getting "lost" is fun when you do it on purpose :-) #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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@OrchardKeeper True! I was fortunate enough to drive to that interview, so I had time before and after to investigate #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q3 being realistic about who you are & who they are. what r you willing to sacrifice & what is non-negotiable to you? (@mikesevery) #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q3: Be practical about what you can change; if it's a policy, that may be different from an entire culture #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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clconzen:
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Q3 understand if fit issues are about institutional values (i.e. religious) know those probably won't change #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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kevinyurasek:
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@OrchardKeeper very true, also hard when the hotel isn't near the campus & you have no transport #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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gracefama:
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Q3 - I also think it's important to wait it out and stay positive. Once reality hits, it's easy to feel like it doesn't fit. #sachat |
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11:29 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@jpkirch Great thought! Amazing what students post to YouTube. #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@OrchardKeeper Interview overscheduling is epidemic. My last was 105 degree day in July. 730am-530pm, more than 80 people. #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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ARL275:
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Q3 made a deal with boss from the get-go to voice my concerns/issues as soon as they arose with the understanding she'd do the same #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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gracefama:
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RT @clconzen: Q3 understand if fit issues are about institutional values (i.e. religious) know those probably wont change #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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jpkirch:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q3 You also may need to stop first and acknowledge the bad fit feeling. Stress manifests in many ways. Clear your head and organize. #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @gracefama: Q3 - it's important to wait it out & stay positive.Once reality hits, it's easy to feel like it doesn't fit. #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@gracefama So true. There's always a honeymoon phase with a new position. #sachat |
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11:30 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@clconzen but sometimes department may be willing to push envelope if institution doens't want to #sachat |
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11:31 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q3 Acknowledge when you truly discover bad fit, accept, then make a plan. Understand your motivation for change. #sachat |
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11:31 pm
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cindykane:
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@debrasanborn @OrchardKeeper I think the goal of tha marathon interview is to assess institutional fit - how well does it work? #sachat |
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11:31 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q3: A friend of mine kept a list of things she did like about the situation posted on her wall; helped focus on the positive instead #sachat |
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11:31 pm
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beekayroot:
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@jpkirch Before I interviewed for my last job, I spent some time on YouTube. It's amazing what you'll find. #sachat |
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11:31 pm
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clconzen:
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@NASPAtweets true, but important to know that there are limits to envelope, and can you accept those limits #sachat |
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11:32 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q4: How can you use professional networks as a resource during these times? #sachat |
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11:32 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@clconzen definitely. and that pushing the envelope breaks either you or the envelope. and we know what traditionally wins. #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q4 it can be an outlet for those who need to be creative and innovative, when their institution and/or position don't allow for it #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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slhealy:
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Q4: I'm not in a job or a bad fit currently, but mentors (often found through #sachat) have given great outside perspective. |
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11:33 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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Q3 Talk 2 supervisor about issues; connect w/friends/mentors talk through issues; do honest reflection: r u part of solution or prob #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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clconzen:
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Q4 I use networks b4 to connect w/others who may have worked there, see why they left #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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LaurieABerry:
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Find a person you trust to give you honest feedback. #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q4 professional networks, such as #sachat et al. provide great breadth of experience and reference. Don't be afraid to reach out. #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @slhealy: Q4: I'm not in a job or a bad fit currently, but mentors have given great outside perspective. #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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gracefama:
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Q4- Best advise I received from mentor was to take a learning orientation. It's easier to say "huh. that's interesting" #sachat |
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11:33 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @LaurieABerry: Q4: Find a person you trust to give you honest feedback. #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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jmlu:
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Q4: Many colleagues have gone through same issues. Connect to your network & ask for advice. Ask if they know anyone from the area! #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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ARL275:
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Q4: #sachat will most definitely be playing a role in my next job search! |
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11:34 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q4 mentors/colleagues can be a great way to check your perception! is it really as hard as bad as you think, as often as you think? #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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slhealy:
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Q4: Mentors outside dept/univ can share whether it's a bad fit or a trending problem across campuses as well. #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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pendingtitle:
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conferences and list-servs are amazing you easily find out the same problems exist everywhere #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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clconzen:
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Q4 when in situation, use network to help be critical eye (are your expectations of the institution realistic for instance) #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@cindykane @OrchardKeeper Still running the marathon. #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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@cindykane interviews I have been on have been planned from arrival at airport to last meeting/drive to airport. #sachat |
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11:34 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@JennaMagnuski Good idea. We all need balanced perspective from those who aren't as close to the situation. #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @clconzen: Q4 when in situation, use network to help be critical eye (are expectations of the institution realistic for instance) #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@kelseyk Great idea. We all need to find the sunshine in what we do, even during challenging times. #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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pendingtitle:
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tight budget? call conference coordinators they are usually happy to extend ppts and notes from sessions you can't attend! #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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RT @pendingtitle: conferences and list-servs are amazing you easily find out the same problems exist everywhere #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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jpkirch:
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Q4: Use networks for information, advice and support. Build and nurture support network now before you need it, and support others! #sachat |
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11:35 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q4: Use professional network to gain perspective on positive practices that might work on your campus or address issues #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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gracefama:
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Q4- ask mentors/others "is this normal?" "Does this happen other places?". Get perspective - it's probably not just your school. #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @jpkirch: Q4: Build and nurture support network now before you need it, and support others! #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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Q4 in the past couple months I have used twitter to find many people who have been helpful and insightful to me. #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @kelseyk: Q4: Use professional network to gain perspective on positive practices that might work on your campus or address issues #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q4 professional networks can help you remember the positive aspects you used to love that may be overshadowed by negative |
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11:36 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@gracefama Is anything in student affairs normal? ;) #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q4 if it's getting close to breaking point,i just need to leave the position time, someone might know about a great opening for you! #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @lvanlysal:Q4 professional networks can help you remember positive aspects you used to love that may be overshadowed by negative #sachat |
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11:36 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q4 Exactly. Bad fit is not exclusive to student affairs and higher ed. Weighing pros/cons, would rather be here ANY day. #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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RT @The_SA_Blog: @gracefama Is anything in student affairs normal? ;) #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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gracefama:
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RT @lvanlysal: #sachat Q4 prof networks help you remember the positive aspects you used to love that may be overshadowed by negative #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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kevinyurasek:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: Q4 in the past couple months I have used twitter to find many people who have been helpful and insightful to me. #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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@cindykane That and trying 2 get all stakeholders involved. Idea that more eyes/ears means a better decision. It's worked ok for us #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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LaurieABerry:
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Q4 don't be afraid to ask others how they weathered their challenges. #sachat |
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11:37 pm
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JGinese23:
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@DebraSanborn I'm out and trying to #sachat via blackberry.might be difficult! |
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11:37 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q5: If you make the tough decision to move on, how do you explain a short stay at a job?bad fit as you prepare to transition? #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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gracefama:
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@The_SA_Blog Ha, maybe not "normal", but maybe more frequent or common! #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@LaurieABerry So true. Many people have been through similar and can share survival tips and tricks. #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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jpkirch:
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RT @clconzen: Q4 when in situation, use network to help be critical eye (are your expectations of the institution realistic for instance) #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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slhealy:
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A thought: How appropriate is it to say it's a bad fit to a supervisor? Maybe they can adjust job responsibilities? #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q5 before you leave, you need to be able to articulate to yourself what made the fit bad - whether you share that info or not #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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clconzen:
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Q5 when asked (and I always am) I'm honest about poor fit, without speaking poorly of institution #sachat |
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11:38 pm
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CledaWang:
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Learning a lot during #sachat as a new professional who is about to start her first full-time job in July..... |
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11:39 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q5 Short job stay? Be honest, discuss positively what you learned and why you decided to move ahead. #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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FirstGenU:
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Q4: Use nw to test job descriptions. If someone in the field thinks the descript is outrageous n impossible then it just might be. #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@JennaMagnuski That's a great exercise in letting go, moving on, and taking something away from the experience. #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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gracefama:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q5 Short job stay? Be honest, discuss positively what you learned and why you decided to move ahead. #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q5 Short job stay? Be honest, discuss positively what you learned and why you decided to move ahead. #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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Q5 being able to define a bad fit to yourself will help you to hopefully know what to look for/avoid #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@CledaWang did you secure one yet (it's Nathan) #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@slhealy Not certain I would use the term "bad fit" but perhaps, "My strengths could be used better here..." #sachat |
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11:39 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q5 I left my first job after 9 months. Explained I had a new opportunity closer to home. Offered to help find my replacement. |
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11:40 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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Q5 Do your best to be honest and do not bash the former institution. Explain only what you want/need to and move on #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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JGinese23:
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RT Q5: If you make the tough decision to move on, how do you explain a short stay at a job?bad fit as you prepare to transition? #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: Q5 being able to define a bad fit to yourself will help you to hopefully know what to look for/avoid #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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lvanlysal:
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#sachat Q5 with that job, it was more city/region bad fit than position bad fit. I wasn't open about interviewing though |
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11:40 pm
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LaurieABerry:
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Q5 there are many ways to frame the reasons you may have moved on. Find positive reasons for your exit. #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @LeslieMPage: Q5 Do your best to be honest and do not bash the former institution. Explain only what you want/need to and move on #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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cindykane:
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@slhealy That's going to depend on what's up...as a new employee I"m not sure how much altering I can make if it's the first year #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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jmlu:
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RT @LeslieMPage: Q5 Do your best to be honest and do not bash the former institution. Explain only what you want/need to and move on #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q5 if your supervisor is open to this, you may be able to share your reflections for their hire process. #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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Still at work. Glad I was able to join afternoon #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q5 I have learned oodles and gobs from my jobs or experiences that may be termed "failures" they help me do better the next time. #sachat |
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11:40 pm
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FirstGenU:
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Q5: Don't lead with it. They may not even ask you. In an area like DC frequent transition is common. #sachat. |
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11:41 pm
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gracefama:
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Q5 - Remain positive! If you have a negative attitude, that will show in all aspects of your interviews #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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pendingtitle:
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Q5) never point fingers or name names...try to swing it as a positive, self awareness is leadership strength #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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SA is about the dev of students. Shouldn't we also be about the dev of staff. If bad fit, supervisor should want your success, no? #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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Q 4:before bmc, I was at all jobs 2 years due to my being diagnosed HIV+. stayed here 6 years to counteract that #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @gracefama: Q5 - Remain positive! If you have a negative attitude, that will show in all aspects of your interviews #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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clconzen:
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@FirstGenU I've always been asked at some point (left 1st position after 1 sem) #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@ChrisMacDen I'm also still in office if you still want to talk about NUFP! =) #sachat |
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11:41 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@LeslieMPage Exactly. Always keeps it positive, whatever the situation. Taking the higher road always the best choice. #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@debrasanborn Oodles and gobs? #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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lvanlysal:
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@FirstGenU funny. My 9 month stint was in DC. #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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slhealy:
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@DebraSanborn @CindyKane Thank you for feedback! #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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JGinese23:
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#sachat so how does it look for a new prof to leave a position within 3 years? Is 2 years worse? Should you stick out for 3? |
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11:42 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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how do social IDs play into how we select job? I was raised working class-didnt think I could ask tough questions. Was thankful 4job #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q5 you may be able to help them be clearer with the next candidate so that the next person along (and the inst) get a good fit #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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Q5 never had to do myself ... But be honest there several legit reasons for moving early; bad fit, great opportunity, etc. #sachat |
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11:42 pm
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jpkirch:
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Q5: Reframe the question and talk about new challenges you are seeking in your pro dev, and what you have learned from previous pos. #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@The_SA_Blog I think it's from Chickering. :) #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @JGinese23: so how does it look for a new prof to leave a position within 3 years? Is 2 years worse? Should you stick out for 3? #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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...and tweetgrid is officially slow as heck right now. sorry about the long delay b/w related tweets, haha #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@ChrisMacDen i'm with you whole heartedly on that one #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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jpkirch:
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RT @LaurieABerry: Q5 there are many ways to frame the reasons you may have moved on. Find positive reasons for your exit. #sachat |
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11:43 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@ChrisMacDen Did you choose to leave? Bad fit? #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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StacyLOliver:
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@jginese23 Probably depends on position. Common in #reslife to leave first pro position after 2-4 yrs #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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gracefama:
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@JGinese23 Think it depends on type of job. Entry level, 2-3 years is good. Director, maybe not so much. #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@ChrisMacDen i also had a hard time transitioning to Carnegie Mellon, raised working-class and 1st gen #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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clconzen:
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@JGinese23 Id say don't stay if only reason ur staying is b/c of how it looks, but dont leave just because its 3 yrs #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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lvanlysal:
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@JGinese23 as a chair of a search, i have no problem with someone leaving entry-level after 2 years. 1 year I'd ask questions. #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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@DebraSanborn first job I left after 1 year b/c I was afraid I'd die next day. Then left next job after 2 years for doctorate. #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@JGinese23 at TPE this year, I saw many repeat candidates interviewing >1 yr on job. Think was bc cans took jobs that were bad fit. #sachat |
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11:44 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@JGinese23 Worry less about the length of employment. Sticking out a bad fit for 2-3 years may keep you from your dream job. #sachat |
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11:45 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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@DebraSanborn so much of my motivation was driven by not knowing how much longer I had. Now at Bryn Mawr for 6 years #sachat |
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11:45 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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@jginese23 i think it also depends on if you are looking to move lateral or up.
#sachat |
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11:46 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@lvanlysal I would ask questions about 1 yr stint as well, but wouldn't disregard candidate with legitimate reason for change. #sachat |
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11:46 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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@MikeJHamilton I agree--I don't think anyone would fault you for leaving after two years to move up. Or so I hope since I did it :) #sachat |
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11:46 pm
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clconzen:
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often, in #studentaffairs, to move up you have to move out #sachat |
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11:46 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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But in that ? to can, explain why bad fit! RT @lvanlysal: @JGine no problem leaving after 2 years. 1 year Id ask questions. #sachat |
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11:46 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@ChrisMacDen So a revised health identity helped your employment. #sachat |
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11:46 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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RT @clconzen: often, in #studentaffairs, to move up you have to move out #sachat |
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11:47 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Q6: How do we as a field educate grads/new pros about defining fit? #sachat |
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11:47 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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@DebraSanborn yes. I am also open if people ask it, which one employer did. #sachat |
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11:47 pm
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slhealy:
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Must leave a bit early to visit floor meetings, but thanks to say many for the great food for thought! #sachat |
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11:47 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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@DebraSanborn I also know that I may price for it because resume shows all these short stints #sachat |
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11:47 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn good advice! this one isn't for me but for colleague at a dif institution #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q6 engage them regularly - what do you like? what don't you? and don't judge their honest responses, or take offense. #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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clconzen:
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Q6 Know thyself! Be honest about what you need/want to be happy in the position #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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jpkirch:
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RT @clconzen: often, in #studentaffairs, to move up you have to move out #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@The_SA_Blog Is this from the question earlier today? =) #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q6 it's just a part of the process #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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They know the questkon is coming RT @debrasanborn: @lvanlysal Would ask ?s about 1 yr stint, wouldn't disregard cand w legit reason #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @clconzen: Q6 Know thyself! Be honest about what you need/want to be happy in the position #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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Q6 it is hard but a lot of it is about feeling.if you are overly anxious maybe you r jumping into something bad #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q6 Encourage self analysis, review of goals, aspirations and how they fit with field, job, institution. #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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JGinese23:
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Q6: Coming from outside of the field (MBA) I had no training on fit. It was get in and do the work! #sachat |
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11:48 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q6 not everyone will naturally go through that reflection process and would benefit from the structured time in 1on1 #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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JGinese23:
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Learning all about fit now tho - switched from 1st Yr Programs/StuActivities to Academic Curriculum Planning/Development #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q6 Encourage self analysis, review of goals, aspirations and how they fit with field, job, institution. #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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#sachat |
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11:49 pm
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jpkirch:
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Q6: We need to mentor actively young profs/grads and share our own experiences and advice. It's our responsibility! #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: Q6 it is hard but a lot of it is about feeling.if you are overly anxious maybe you r jumping into something bad #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@ChrisMacDen You are an inspiration to student affairs and have enormous respect. Anyone judging those years is missing out on you! #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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kelseyk:
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Q6: Our program read Elizabeth Whitt's "Don't Drink the Water" for strategies to understand fit http://tinyurl.com/yhodkko #sachat |
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11:49 pm
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ChrisMacDen:
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RT @The_SA_Blog: RT @debrasanborn: Q6 Encourage self analysis, review of goals, aspirations and how they fit with field, job, institution. #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @jpkirch: Q6: We need to mentor actively young profs/grads and share our own experiences and advice. It's our responsibility! #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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JGinese23:
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Went from supervising about 200 students and meeting with them 20 times a week to 0 students and maybe 10 times a month or more. #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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#sachat |
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11:50 pm
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jmayojr:
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Missing the evening #sachat for Room Selection night 4, last night. |
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11:50 pm
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pendingtitle:
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Q5 I thought young prof. were notorious job change-lings-come across well in interviews and go the extra mile prove your commitment #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@JGinese23 Student affairs is still a lot about getting in and doing the work. #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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Q6. Does the economy affect how we talk to new pros now, though? #sachat |
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11:50 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@kelseyk Thanks for sharing that resource! #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@jmayojr i miss you, in #sachat and life. i am glad this is the last night of room selection for you |
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11:51 pm
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jmlu:
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@jmayojr we just finished our room selection today too! good luck! #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @NASPAtweets: Q6. Does the economy affect how we talk to new pros now, though? #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn oh absolutely but I think Bus students take anything just to get the job done and get the $$$ #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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OrchardKeeper:
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Q6 Have them reflect about their GA or intern exp. What did they like/not like? Ask what they really are looking for in office. #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn Part I love about STUDENT affairs is getting down and dirty with the students to do the work. #sachat |
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11:51 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q6 We can also help new professionals by sharing our good, bad, and ugly fits and how we survived in student affairs. #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@naspatweets absolutely! it also changes how attentive new pros are to fit - we just need a job! #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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YES RT @JennaMagnuski: @jmayojr i miss you, in #sachat and life. i am glad this is the last night of room selection for you #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn in academicaffairs its about getting high and mighty with the faculty. #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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gracefama:
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@NASPAtweets I think so. Candidates can't be as choosy about jobs. You gotta pay your bills, even if the fit isn't perfect! #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@JGinese23 We aren't in student affairs for the money? :) #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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pendingtitle:
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Q6-more feedback and advice from the 3-5 yr. out alum...they grow so wise so fast...its not about a job its about a career fit #sachat |
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11:52 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@MikeJHamilton we also haven't just talked since Boston. I'm offended. ...even though it was mostly my busy-ness. #sachat |
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11:53 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Whoa....really? RT @debrasanborn: @JGinese23 We aren't in student affairs for the money? :) #sachat |
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11:53 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Q6 True. Choose your attitude (FISH!) Sometimes a bad fit will pay the student loans! #sachat |
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11:53 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@pendingtitle So true. We often go straight to our SSAO and skip those mid-levels who were more recently in those positions! #sachat |
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11:53 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn oh we are all in it for the money - if your currency is pizza, tshirts, and trips to cities for conf #sachat |
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11:53 pm
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clconzen:
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RT @debrasanborn: Q6 True. Choose your attitude (FISH!) Sometimes a bad fit will pay the student loans! #sachat |
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11:54 pm
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jpkirch:
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Shoot. Better rethink my retirement plan....RT @debrasanborn: @JGinese23 We aren't in student affairs for the money? :) #sachat |
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11:54 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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and pave the way to a better fit! RT @debrasanborn: Sometimes a bad fit will pay the student loans! #sachat |
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11:54 pm
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debrasanborn:
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@JGinese23 Don't forget polos (all one color) stress balls and Jimmy Johns! #sachat |
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11:54 pm
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JGinese23:
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@MikeJHamilton ideally i would imagine a move up compared to lateral - what difference would it make tho? #sachat |
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11:55 pm
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JGinese23:
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@jpkirch well the retirement plans are awesome lol I love my Cref! #sachat |
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11:55 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn and we get to play with stuff like minglesticks and meet celebs #sachat |
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11:55 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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Q6 also help grads/new pros delineate b/w bad fit, and growing pains as you become a professional. #sachat |
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11:55 pm
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pendingtitle:
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it doesn't, never sugar coat anything for young prof. education and empowerment about the realities their situation #sachat |
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11:55 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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i let my wife make all the money while i get the "rewarding job" ok with reverse anti-equal pay :) #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: As we bring #SAchat to a close, please share your final thoughts. |
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11:56 pm
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JGinese23:
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i dont see any of my business classmates being able to have a 5 minute discussion with Kat DeLuna or hang with OAR #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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jpkirch:
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Check yourself, too. Stress manifests itself in diff ways - could be clouding your perspective. Practice self-care. #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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@JGinese23 i think with lateral moves it is more normal that for shorter mover, up jobs look for more experience #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @jpkirch: Check yourself, too. Stress manifests itself in diff ways - could be clouding your perspective. Practice self-care. #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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clconzen:
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listen to your gut!! #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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NikiRudolph:
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Q6: @JennaMagnuski Absolutely! ID'ing growing pains is where the network can play a big part. #sachat |
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11:56 pm
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debrasanborn:
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RT @jpkirch: Check yourself, too. Stress manifests itself in diff ways - could be clouding your perspective. Practice self-care. #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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JGinese23:
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i think there needs to be a webinar pre-TPE about "jobs & you - completing the puzzle" #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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FT be honest with and about yourself, and the same with the institution. before you get stuck, be as informed as you can. #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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JGinese23:
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@MikeJHamilton good point. #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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kevinyurasek:
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RT @jpkirch: Check yourself, too. Stress manifests itself in diff ways - could be clouding your perspective. Practice self-care. #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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pendingtitle:
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I am so happy for this forum, appreciate the discussion and questions #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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jmlu:
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RT @JGinese23: i think there needs to be a webinar pre-TPE about "jobs & you - completing the puzzle" #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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FT and if you get stuck in a bad fit...be professional about it, not petulant! #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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ARL275:
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damn hashtag! RT @ARL275: i find more confidence in my own work/job when i see my supervisor's weakness/having a bad day #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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debrasanborn:
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I'm still trying to think of celebs I have met. Does John Gardner count? How about John Schuh? #studentaffairsgeek #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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gracefama:
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FT: Finding your fit is all about reflection, being open to experiences, & keeping a positive attitude. #sachat |
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11:57 pm
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JGinese23:
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"finding your fit" webinar series before you enter the field of getting into the field. #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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FT: the perfect job may not exist, look for what you can do to make your job better, and create experiences #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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@JGinese23 Should that be coming from TPE? Or from grad programs? #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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LeslieMPage:
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@JGinese23 We'll look forward to you submitting that proposal for TPE :) #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn has anyone met Rey Junco? He is pretty much a celeb now no/ #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: FT: the perfect job may not exist, look for what you can do to make your job better, and create experiences #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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kelseyk:
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@debrasanborn Totally celebs. I'd count them anyway. #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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debrasanborn:
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Trust your instincts. Trust your network. #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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JGinese23:
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@The_SA_Blog why not us? #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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NASPAtweets:
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@JGinese23 tell me more. =) #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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debrasanborn:
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RT @MikeJHamilton: FT: the perfect job may not exist, look for what you can do to make your job better, and create experiences #sachat |
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11:58 pm
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The_SA_Blog:
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RT @debrasanborn: Trust your instincts. Trust your network. #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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gracefama:
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@debrasanborn YES. If they wrote a book that grad programs use, they are totally celebs. I still squee over Susan Komives #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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MikeJHamilton:
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FT2: there is a learn/growth opp in every situation,sometimes that requires turning off the "snark" & looking 4 it #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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JennaMagnuski:
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@The_SA_Blog it would be nice if grad progs had the time, but there's so much to learn before grad that i think it gets backburnered #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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JGinese23:
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@naspatweets how hard could it be to have a #sachat in the weeks leading up to placement |
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11:59 pm
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kelseyk:
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Don't expect to change everything, but don't assume you can't make a difference either. Seek out opportunities for improvement. #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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JGinese23:
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people could anonymously ask questions about potential jobs and interviews #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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JGinese23:
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ask about schools, what people know, etc. #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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jmlu:
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@debrasanborn Never give up, trust your instincts... #namethatquote #sachat |
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11:59 pm
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kevinyurasek:
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@jpkirch That's such a good point! That where relying on reflection and colleagues/mentors is helpful as well #sachat |
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April 9, 2010
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The_SA_Blog:
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@JGinese23 How would competitive nature of TPE affect people's honesty and candor in repsonding about positions/schools? #sachat |
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FirstGenU:
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@kelseyk Also seek out opptys to learn new skills. The job may not be great, but beef up your own resume. #sachat |
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debrasanborn:
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Michele Norris. Saliva (the whole band). #sachat |
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NASPAtweets:
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@jginese23 we actually just did a webinar on from campus interview to final offer. maybe we need to have a round 2 of that one! #sachat |
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JennaMagnuski:
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@jmlu Star Fox? #sachat |
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JGinese23:
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@LeslieMPage I don't think I have enough experience (2 yrs grad 3/4 yrs prof) but would be fun to collabo with a SSAO or Dir level #sachat |
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ARL275:
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as for meeting celebs, i'm still waiting for someone to recognize me from the profile pic, then i can be a celeb, too! =) #sachat |
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12:01 am
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Pen Down, Head Up! EVENING #SAchat is officially closing, but we'll keep the light on all night for those too energized to sleep :-) |
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12:01 am
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NikiRudolph:
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@JGinese23 The #sachat would be great leading up to conf. Maybe also a diff online sounding board after to talk fit. |
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12:01 am
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JGinese23:
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@The_SA_Blog maybe leave school names out? and just describe - or no specifics - focus on candidate not position #sachat |
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12:01 am
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NASPAtweets:
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@The_SA_Blog @JGinese23 nice thing about some webinar platforms (like the one TPE uses) is that it is anonymous with questions. =) #sachat |
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12:02 am
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JGinese23:
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@NASPAtweets i think you need a training camp before a next round - From Web Listing to Cover Letter to Application #sachat |
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12:02 am
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LeslieMPage:
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Thank you all for letting me in to the #sachat world--it was fun! |
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12:02 am
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debrasanborn:
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Thanks all! Great chat! #sachat |
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12:02 am
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JGinese23:
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RT @NASPAtweets: nice thing about some webinar platforms (like the one TPE uses) is that it is anonymous with questions. =) #sachat |
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12:03 am
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The_SA_Blog:
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MOD: Have ideas for future #SAchat topics? Let us know: http://bit.ly/8gqEU9 |
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12:03 am
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The_SA_Blog:
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@LeslieMPage Our door is always open. Thank YOU for joining us! #sachat |
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12:03 am
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gracefama:
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Thanks for the chat! Now only 1 hour till my staff meeting, 2 hours before I finally go home! #sachat |
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12:04 am
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JGinese23:
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@The_SA_Blog I think whichever topics finish in the top 3 - 2 and 3 need to stay in the poll as long as they receive high # of votes #sachat |
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12:05 am
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JGinese23:
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loved the amount of #sachat that I could get in tonight. Thanks tweeps! |
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12:05 am
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The_SA_Blog:
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@JGinese23 Thanks for your feedback. We'll take that idea into consideration. #sachat |
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12:07 am
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JGinese23:
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any other #sachat people use Google Wave - i started one with @frankmichael and @jefflail and it lasted about a week |
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12:08 am
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JGinese23:
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@The_SA_Blog I dont think you missed any - just a suggestion to keep it up :) #sachat |
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12:11 am
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ARL275:
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@JGinese23 i'm pretty sure there's a whole #sachat wave. you can find me at ARL275 at googlewave dot com |
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12:13 am
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EMACAdvise:
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@The_SA_Blog a good fit is when you miss #sachat due to unexpected student appts and convos, and you wouldn't have it any other way. |
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12:17 am
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sethhagler:
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@JGinese23 If webinar is necessary, what is point of grad schools? Shouldn't a "learning outcome" be to undrstnd fit and placement? #sachat |
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12:18 am
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JGinese23:
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@sethhagler well I think thats the larger discussion - do grad programs properly train the graduates #sachat |
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12:19 am
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JGinese23:
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@sethhagler because I agree - programs should but the larger question is should they and do they are far apart I'm hearing #sachat |
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12:20 am
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JGinese23:
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@debrasanborn i hear ya - march and april are ridiculous. #sachat |
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12:21 am
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JGinese23:
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signing off for the night tweeps - have a good one! #sachat |
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12:27 am
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JennaMagnuski:
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can't find the #sachat google wave. #fail |
