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February 18, 2010
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12:01 am
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loritodd:
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8PM! An hour away from the second episode of #wjchat. Moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:07 am
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greglinch:
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RT @wjchat: An hour away from the second episode of #wjchat. Join us to discuss journos + coding. |
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12:08 am
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knightfdn:
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8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:11 am
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lalorek:
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RT @knightfdn 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + codingvia @wjchat |
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12:11 am
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barbaraclements:
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RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:14 am
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lilaeidi:
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RT @wjchat: An hour and a half away from the second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. |
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12:15 am
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tgdavidson:
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RT @knightfdn: 8P E The 2nd episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:16 am
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CatinStack:
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RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:19 am
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ValleyIndy:
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RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:40 am
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RobinJP:
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. @greglinch is in makeup. 20 minutes to go before the second episode of #wjchat it's gonna rock. coders vs. journos... hey, that's not ri |
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12:44 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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Looking forward to #wjchat starting at 8 tonight. Is there a better platform to follow besides twitter.com? |
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12:44 am
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erikgable:
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About to join #wjchat. |
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12:45 am
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strobie:
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Joining up with #wjchat after 3 pm news meeting. |
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12:50 am
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RobinJP:
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Aloha, Hawaii: rt @strobie Joining up with #wjchat after 3 pm news meeting. |
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12:50 am
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Walldo:
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RT @BreannaGaddie Looking forward to #wjchat starting at 8 tonight. Is there a better platform to follow besides twitter.com? |
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12:51 am
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hgondo:
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@BreannaGaddie tweetchat.com is good #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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RobinJP:
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@BreannaGaddie you could try http://tweetchat.com/room/wjchat to keep up with #wjchat .. but your comments are still in your Twitter feed. |
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12:52 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Should I also apply makeup for this? @RobinJP . @greglinch is in makeup. 20 minutes to go before the second episode of #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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Walldo:
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Sitting hear reading about making Android apps for work, I think I belong in #wjchat about journalism and coders tonight! #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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NLGJAarizona:
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RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST 2nd episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:56 am
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killbutton:
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T-minus 5 minutes until @greglinch takes the reigns at @wjchat ... Prepared to be on tech talk overload in less than 30 #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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wjchat:
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5 minutes until the start of #wjchat episode 2. Tonight's topic: journos + coding Guest host: @greglinch Join the dicussion! |
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12:57 am
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wjchat:
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5 minutes until the start of #wjchat episode 2. Tonight's topic: journos + coding Guest host: @greglinch Join the discussion! |
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12:57 am
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greglinch:
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Less than five minutes until we start #wjchat! Topic: journalism + coding |
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12:57 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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Thx for responses, Tweetchat looks cleaner than Twitterfall. I'm here and ready - #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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newswithnumbers:
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#wjchat |
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12:57 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: 5 minutes until the start of #wjchat episode 2. Tonight's topic: journos + coding Guest host: @greglinch Join the discussion! |
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12:57 am
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ryansholin:
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RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos + coding. /via @wjchat |
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12:58 am
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ballock:
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RT @greglinch: Less than five minutes until we start #wjchat! Topic: journalism + coding |
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12:58 am
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vanguardiste:
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#wjchat in 3 minutes! Come join! Tonight's moderator: @greglinch Topic: Coders + Journalists working together |
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12:59 am
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webjournalist:
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Note to my followers: It's #wjchat tonight... so I may be tweeting a ton about journos + coding. |
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12:59 am
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ethanklapper:
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Hey all, won't be able to make the chat, at least the beginning. Maybe next week! #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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Walldo:
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Gonna be in a twitter chat about coding and journalism, hashtag WJCHAT sorry if I get spammy. #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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jessicamalnik:
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Bummed that I have to miss #wjchat tonight. Gotta work late tonight. |
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1:00 am
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SuziSteffen:
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What he said! RT @webjournalist Note to my followers: It's #wjchat tonight... so I may be tweeting a ton about journos + coding. |
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1:00 am
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KatieRogers:
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Oh sweet, just in time for #wjchat. Nice. |
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1:01 am
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IsadoraVail:
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RT @KatieRogers: Oh sweet, just in time for #wjchat. Nice. |
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1:01 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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#wjchat starting now, so tweeting about journalism and coding for a bit. Not that that's really different from my usual posts... |
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1:01 am
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killbutton:
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@SuziSteffen Glad you made it this week. #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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Chronotope:
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Made it home just in time. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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brianboyer:
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Why, hello #wjchat. |
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1:02 am
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hgondo:
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@Chronotope perfect timing! #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Seems to be the trend. Me too. Yay!!! RT @Chronotope Made it home just in time #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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wjchat:
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Welcome to the 2nd episode of #wjchat, a discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: journos + coding w/ @greglinch as guest moderator. |
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1:02 am
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MegBiallas:
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RT @brianboyer: Why, hello #wjchat. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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ro_ra:
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#wjchat |
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1:03 am
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wjchat:
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Please introduce yourself, respond to questions + share your knowledge! Thanks for joining tonight's #wjchat. |
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1:03 am
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greglinch:
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Hi, everyone! My name is Greg Linch and I'm this week's guest moderator. I work at a startup called @Publish2. Looking forward to #wjchat. |
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1:03 am
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RobinJP:
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@brianboyer hey, thanks for stopping by #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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vanguardiste:
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Stoked for all the "just-in-timers". Great to have you with us instead of stuck in traffic! #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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MegBiallas:
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Senior journo/media arts major at @ButlerU, multimedia editor of @ButlerCollegian and avid social media gal. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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laurenmichell:
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Hello #wjchat. I'll be keepin' an eye on the hashtag, but probably not participating as much as I'd like to. Bring it! |
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1:04 am
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loritodd:
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@wjchat I'm Lori Todd, interim online community manager for @knightfdn in Miami. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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3ba:
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I'm going to be missing #wjchat tonight, unfortunately. Topic is journalism + coding. Looking forward to the transcript. Have a great chat! |
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1:05 am
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emilymerwin:
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Hi everyone! Coder-journalist here #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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greglinch:
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If you know any journos with coding skills who haven't shown up yet, we'd love for you to @ and invite them. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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webjournalist:
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Hi everyone, I'm Robert Hernandez Web Journalist and USC Annenberg professor. Former Dir. of Dev. for seattletimes.com. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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vanguardiste:
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Hola! I'm Bethany?currently doing SoMe, blogging + trying to find my place in the new frontiers of journalism. Let the games begin! #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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jmsummers:
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Excited to check out #wjchat tonight. I'm Juana Summers, intern at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. |
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1:05 am
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amysimons:
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Evening #wjchat! Listening in while doing some stuff around the house... |
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1:05 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Time for #wjchat- Brian Manzullo, editor in chief of @CMLIFE, Central Michigan's student newspaper; designed http://cm-life.com #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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thilosavage:
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amidoinitrite? #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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SuziSteffen:
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Hey y'all. Suzi Steffen, performing/visual arts editor @ Eugene (Oregon) Weekly, adjunct @ UO j-school. I teach Reporting 1 (#J361). #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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KatieRogers:
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Hi there, I'm Katie, I do social media for RedEye (@redeyenow), a sib of The Chicago Tribune. Recent @medillschool grad. Yay #wjchat #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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NicoleFugere:
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Web Designer/developer for #mditv. @killbutton is one of our journalists- one of the founders of #wjchat! #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Megan Taylor, just started at @nydailynews as "Associate Multimedia Editor." Hardcore journalism and programming nerd. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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MacDivaONA:
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I wear many hats, but most often, I develop strategy and community engagement tools. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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lkmi:
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Good evening. I'm Lori Mirrer, McClatchy Interactive. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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Walldo:
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#WJChat Hi folks. Former EIC of print/online for @LewisFlyer now working as web editor for Chicago Sun-Times media west. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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mattwaite:
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On my phone at ORD, boarding in 40 minutes. I'll try to keep up #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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michelleminkoff:
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I'm a Medill grad student coder-journo, with a strong interest in data-based journ. So psyched for tonight's topic! #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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hubertallen:
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Online Producer at The Virginian-Pilot. Social media coordinator, blog editor, web designer. Excited for my first #wjchat. :) |
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1:06 am
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diedsj:
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@thilosavage tt #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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newswithnumbers:
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Hi All, Mike Davis, owner of NewsWithNumbers #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat I'm the News Apps Editor at the Chicago Tribune. We make fun stuff w/ data. Find our work at http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ |
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1:06 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Hey all. I'm Joe O'Sullivan, reporter with the Public Opinion, a small daily newspaper in South Dakota. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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hgondo:
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Harumi Gondo, with UPI (United Press International), overseeing UPIU, for j-schools and j-students #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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RobinJP:
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Hi. Web ME at Reynolds Center here.. run businessjournalism.org and @BizJournalism .. also spent time in big newsroom on the Web #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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gotoPlanB:
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@wjchat I'm Dave Stanton, Technology Fellow at Poynter. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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emilymerwin:
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I make interactive maps/infographics at the Atlanta Journal Constitution #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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Hi everyone, freelance photojournalist/writer in greater Cincinnati area, looking to learn code & video. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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erikgable:
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#wjchat intro: Erik Gable from The Daily Telegram in Adrian, MI. My 2010 resolution (http://bit.ly/au3yk2) is to learn about coding. |
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1:07 am
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LordGluttony:
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#wjchat http://bit.ly/UBSqp lecture about how twitter chat will advance project completion rates |
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1:07 am
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joeboydston:
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#wjchat - I'm VP Digital of McNaughton newspapers, paywall sites |
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1:07 am
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markschaver:
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#wjchat Mark Schaver, asst. metro editor for The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Ky. |
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1:07 am
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mattwynn:
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Hey all, data reporter at the Arizona Republic. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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Chronotope:
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Hullo folks, Aram here. Tech Manager for @GMUStudentMedia, New Media Manager for @UPIU. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat hello! i'm alex schmidt, NPR reporter/producer and now web producer for 20th Cen Fox |
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1:07 am
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derekwillis:
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news researcher turned database geek turned coder. keeps company with ppl like @mattwaite. howdy. #wjchat. |
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1:07 am
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aqadan:
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Qadan from MDiTv....application guy
#wjchat |
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1:07 am
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ro_ra:
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Aurora Nemirow, hey all. Social media maven for @MDiTVOrg working with the web team here at #MDiTV #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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BrianManzullo:
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A lot of great journos in here... excited to chat with you all! #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Hello, all. I'm new media manager for KQTV in St. Joseph, Mo. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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michelleminkoff:
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The coding-journalism talk might get a little fast + furious for a while, sorry if you're not involved. Or come join us at #wjchat! |
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1:08 am
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onyxfish:
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Christopher Groskopf, News Apps Dev, Chicago Tribune #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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wjchat:
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Tonight's #wjchat topic journo + coding. In the context of tonight's discussion, programming is more than HTML/CSS Let's begin! |
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1:08 am
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kleinmatic:
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News apps editor at ProPublica. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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greglinch:
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Sweetness, some of my favorite people are here for #wjchat. Hope to get to know many more of you as the chat progresses. |
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1:08 am
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MegBiallas:
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@alexschmidt Just got back from an internship with @NPR at the social media desk in Washington. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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RobinJP:
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@mattwynn howdy.. thanks for stopping by .. #wjchat .. great to see so many smart, technical journos... |
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1:09 am
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KelseyProud:
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Hi everyone! I'm a senior multimedia journalism student at U. of Missouri. Graduating in May! Excited to be here! #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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thilosavage:
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My name is Thilo Savage and I <3 PHP #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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SuziSteffen:
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Just started following a ton of people thanks to #wjchat. Lots of great journos (and coders) tonight! |
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1:09 am
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wjchat:
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Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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laurenmichell:
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#wjchat Happy to see women involved in this chat about journo + coding. |
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1:09 am
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LordGluttony:
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#wjchat why NPR will be a leading Radio Station for years to come http://bit.ly/3l941G |
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1:10 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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darthcheeta:
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hi #wjchat interactive journ prof at American U, I research serious games and social media. my site: http://bit.ly/9gVkui |
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1:10 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Agreed! RT @laurenmichell Happy to see women involved in this chat about journo + coding. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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KelseyProud:
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YES RT @laurenmichell: #wjchat Happy to see women involved in this chat about journo + coding. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat I'm the senior news technologist at the St. Petersburg Times, developer of PolitiFact.com and co-founder of Hot Type Consulting |
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1:10 am
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vanguardiste:
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@suzisteffen Ditto?This is an "awesome people on Twitter" goldmine! Excited bout it. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q1 One online editor at @CMLIFE, but each of our 10 editors are involved with the Web site in some way. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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newswithnumbers:
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Q1: One, me, no. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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nathanbyrne:
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If you're not already there, come on over to #wjchat for journalism + coding talk. Starting now. |
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1:10 am
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amysimons:
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Amy Simons, Digital News Editor at the Chicago Tribune #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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diedsj:
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my name is Deeds and I <3 perl #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @SuziSteffen: Just started following a ton of people thanks to #wjchat. Lots of great journos (and coders) tonight! |
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1:11 am
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anthonydb:
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I wrestled federal data all day. And won. Sort of. That alone makes me ready for a little #wjchat ... I'm one of the DB eds at USA TODAY. |
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1:11 am
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vanguardiste:
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#Seriously #ForReal RT @laurenmichell: #wjchat Happy to see women involved in this chat about journo + coding. #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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NicoleFugere:
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Q1 #mditv has 3!
#wjchat |
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1:11 am
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designhawg:
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app designer for the Tribune Company checking in... #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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ryansholin:
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Ryan Sholin from Publish2, strictly listening and learning tonight here at #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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mckennaewen:
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Hey everyone! My name's McKenna Ewen and I'm a multimedia producer / founder of Ewen Media in Minneapolis, MN #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q1: Not sure how many actual programmers we have at @nydailynews, but there about 35 ppl in web dept. #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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diedsj:
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oh and SED #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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salvadorduran:
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#wjchat @wjchat I am paying close attention to the conversation. |
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1:11 am
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webjournalist:
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Q1: At ST.com we had 3 developers dedicated to the site & a few more for the company. Didn't feel like enough! #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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jameswilkerson:
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Journalist/databaser/coder at The Des Moines Register. #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat we ONLY outsource...having a coder on staff is a luxury. how to make most of limited programming budget is big question. |
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1:11 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q1 Would LOVE to see more journos with Web/coding experience, though. I've learned a lot about PHP/CSS when building cm-life.com #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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SuziSteffen:
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One, and I think not. RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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mtdukes:
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#wjchat Hey everyone. My name is Tyler Dukes and I'm a Web producer at News 14 Carolina, a 24-hour TV station in Raleigh, N.C. |
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1:11 am
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andrewspittle:
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Little late to #wjchat but I'll be trying to keep an eye on it and participate. I'm the Hosting Director for @copress |
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1:11 am
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vanguardiste:
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One! It's me and it's definitely not enough, LOL. I'm always calling on my more tech savvy friends to help me learn #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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Walldo:
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Our webcrwe is 6. I have no idea how big the STNG city web team is. In college the team was just me. Relaunched our site on WP solo. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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Chronotope:
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Q1 We have one developer and me at @GMUStudentMedia. We can definitely use more. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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loritodd:
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Q1: I left the Miami Herald in January, where we had 2 in the newsroom, and collab'd w/ three others "interactive" (not edit) #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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RobinJP:
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we have one developer out of a total of 6 staff... he has the strength of thousands. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat There are four general-purpose hacker journalists on our team in the newsroom. Many more programmers inside TribCo. |
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1:12 am
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underoak:
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Hello all. I'm a freelance writer/editor/ consultant in Charlotte. Lurking mostly, while sitting in a web design meetup IRL. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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hgondo:
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UPI has a one-man show who is a WIZ! UPIU has one on contract and it is way not enuff! makes me wanna cry! #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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diedsj:
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@thilosavage please go read the Llama book k thx bye #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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loritodd:
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Q1 But, Herald's main journal/programmer left in January, and main non-journ programmer in December ... #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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vanguardiste:
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@RobinJP They are worth their weight in gold. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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Digidave:
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#wjchat We have two right now. But it's a luxury. I always say re dev: "there's good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two." Choose wisely. |
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1:13 am
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SuziSteffen:
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I should say our developer is also our IT guy, also does everything tech-related, phones to printers ... SO not enough time. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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emilyingram:
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Hey all. I'm a senior at the University of Nebraska and - depending on the day - a Web producer, multimedia journo or copy editor. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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alexschmidt:
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Q1 (follow up) so where is best place to put limited resources? hefty DB/CMS? fancy app to get noticed? #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@SuziSteffen I think programming and IT getting lumped together is a really common problem. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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thilosavage:
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@diedsj All I'm saying is.. Which has more capital letters? PHP or Perl? All I'm saying.. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Q1 under the most liberal definitions, we have 10, and that's not close to enough. 4 of them have other jobs/responsibilities. |
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1:14 am
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RobinJP:
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@emilyingram welcome back. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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hubertallen:
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4, I think @pilotnews ... but we have to compete with other departments for their attention. NOT enough! #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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harrisj:
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I am on vacation with only a BlackBerry, so I'm just saying hi briefly to confirm all rumors about @derekwillis #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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vanguardiste:
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@underoak Do you work any with the @CLTBlog crew? I used to work w/them a bit when I lived in Charlotte! #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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jaosullivanx:
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RT @Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it's a luxury. I always say re dev: "there's good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two." Choose wisely. |
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1:14 am
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erikgable:
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Q1 Nobody dedicated to the Web full-time, on news side or sales side. Lots of people who work it in w/ other duties. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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Walldo:
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@alexschmidt Fancy app is just window dressing, you need to have a full sales floor to keep them coming back. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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kleinmatic:
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ProPublica has 4 ppl in news apps department. Including me. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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wjchat:
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REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. |
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1:15 am
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mattwynn:
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Two guys who kind of guess-and-check their way through code, a front-end guy, and a PT Flex/viz guru. We're hiring! #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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diedsj:
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@thilosavage fine PHP wins. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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RobinJP:
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@vanguardiste absolutely .. gold, coffee, cheet-os. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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SLODeveloper:
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Q1: We have 1 dev at @slotribune. Given our size it's probably enough, but I'd love to have a designer #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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jameswilkerson:
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#wjchat Q1 - 2 of us doing a lot of web/data projects + a great tech person helping with back-end stuff. |
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1:15 am
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greglinch:
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@alexschmidt I think that depends on the news org. Overall, it's important to have clear vision and then determine from there. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it's a luxury. I always say re dev: "there's good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two." |
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1:15 am
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gotoPlanB:
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@michelleminkoff Especially at small place, often have to do some IT. Makes it tough to ship projects when you have to do IT tasks. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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webjournalist:
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@kategardiner So true! But it's hard to point that out to companies/newsrooms some times. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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diedsj:
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We are hiring objective-c and/or actionscripters please apply to @thilosavage #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. |
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1:16 am
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yousaidit:
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Never been to a #wjchat, neat idea. Charles Borwick co-founder YouSaidIt. |
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1:16 am
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ballock:
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RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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jaosullivanx:
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We can't convince our higher-ups to hire a dedicated a web person. Part of the reason I'm on here. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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mtodd:
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WTF is #wjchat? |
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1:16 am
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hgondo:
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@alexschmidt I think a good, capable programmer is the most important place to first put resources #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. |
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1:16 am
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thilosavage:
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Answer to Question 2: Yes, I can predict the future. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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alexschmidt:
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@greglinch good point...example of how a vision might guide programming priorities? #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. |
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1:17 am
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brianboyer:
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@michelleminkoff Definitely. IT is plumbing. Useful, but not like content. Our work is journalism. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q2. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q1 I acted as online editor of @CMLIFE in the fall, but it's nice having someone else direct Web initiatives now (@DavidVeselenak) #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Of the six pure developers, two have journalism experience. I was a reporter for 10 years before trying to build internets. |
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1:17 am
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markschaver:
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#wjchat Q1 Nobody doing it full-time for news. Me part-time, a Web guy sometimes and an IT guy who helps once in a while. |
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1:18 am
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mattwynn:
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Er... #wjchat We have split beyween Online devs, who focus on ad-driven apps, and the newsroom team. |
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1:18 am
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Chronotope:
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@SLODeveloper Yeah, it would be nice to have someone on-hand who is a dedicated designer. #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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RobinJP:
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@mtodd #wjchat conversation tonight about coders and journalists .. weekly discussion about web journalism.. jump in. |
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1:18 am
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Walldo:
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@jaosullivanx How can any news org stay alive without folks focused on the web? #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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pekkapekkala:
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@webjournalist HS.fi outsourced programmers = death of quick development + skyrocketing cost. Now there has been small movement back #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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vanguardiste:
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@mattwaite Do you find that journalism experience helpful in working w/those two programmers? Does it translate to greater success? #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @RobinJP: @mtodd #wjchat conversation tonight about coders and journalists .. weekly discussion about web journalism.. jump in. |
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1:19 am
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hgondo:
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@alexschmidt @greglinch vision is imp. but vision gets back seat 2 finances, & prolly why finance problems r there in 1st place #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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greglinch:
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@alexschmidt If you're the Sunlight Fdtn, you're dealing with a lot of govt data, so it probably makes sense to focus on DBs/apps. #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @pekkapekkala: @webjournalist HS.fi outsourced programmers = death of quick development + skyrocketing cost. Now there has been small movement back #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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webjournalist:
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@pekkapekkala Outsourcing programming could be a new trend with such tight resources... but you do lose that in-house innovation . #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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Chronotope:
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@alexschmidt It would certainly allow you to focus on certain programming languages, also prob. an increase in speed. #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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SuziSteffen:
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@Walldo It's possible for small news orgs, like alt-weekly & other niche pubs, to do just fine w/print ... for now. FUTURE though? #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat and the cost comes from more managers, developers stayed the same. Three developers sounds like a lot if you know what you're doing. |
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1:20 am
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wjchat:
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Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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Chronotope:
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@hgondo Yeah, that's the other problem. Web Devs are expensive and University folk are dealing with tight budgets. #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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diedsj:
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@msjardijn martinplease add #wjchat to our replies to engage in the discussion #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat, y'all are the first to know, to accompany our just-released server stack, we're built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq |
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1:20 am
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alexschmidt:
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@hgondo total catch 22 #wjchat i think this is the reason consultants end up getting hired |
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1:20 am
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majorh:
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Any developers finding ways of using Scrum/Agile in a newsroom setting? #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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hubertallen:
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I find it hard to innovate when keeping up can be hard enough for orgs. with few resources. #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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diedsj:
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@msjardijn please go to http://bit.ly/d0BWh and type in the hastag: #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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mattctweets:
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#WJCHAT Q1 joining late. I'm with Crain's Chicago Business. We have almost no internal developers. You can guess if that's enough. |
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1:21 am
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emilymerwin:
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oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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CalFitzSimmons:
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Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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mtdukes:
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#wjchat Q1: Have a 4-member Web team, but our knowledge is primarily in reporting & editing. Very little coding skillz, but we've got heart! |
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1:21 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@webjournalist I think "resources" is the key operative word here. This is why even I've (a PJ) been told to learn code. #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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Walldo:
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Hacker journalists are my fav approach, like @brianboyer, folks that can dev cool apps but have that natural journalist eye 4 news #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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aqadan:
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outsourcing programming tasks works..yes. but a program is never completed, it's constantly being fixed by it's bug.. #wjchat |
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1:21 am
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vanguardiste:
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Feeling you on that! RT @emilymerwin oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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kleinmatic:
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iPhone tweetdeck melting down with all the updates. Switching to lurking. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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aqadan:
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bugs* #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Since we're talking coding, Pragmatic Programmers is offering 40% off its books thru its Invite a Friend program. DM me for deets. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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brianboyer:
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@majorh We're an agile shop. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q2 No programmers; I do the programming, if anything. But news orgs should def. have one, constantly working on new things #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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greglinch:
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@alexschmidt Just to clarify, Sunlight Foundationwas an example -- ran out of characters. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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onyxfish:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, to accompany our just-released server stack, we're built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq |
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1:22 am
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derekwillis:
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Q2 at NYT we play a growing role in how we do data & storytelling on the web. they also solve problems for the newsroom and users. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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hgondo:
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@alexschmidt right; and we pay bunches just getting contractors 2 become familiar with the code, and they also have other projects #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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ballock:
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RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat |
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1:22 am
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mattctweets:
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Very cool! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, y'all are the first to know, we're built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq |
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1:22 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Programmers are building modules for the website, working on the CMS (not production tho). Would like to see interactives, apps. #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Hey, I'm Ryan Pitts, editor for digital media @spokesmanreview. I wrangle Django, databases and web design. |
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1:23 am
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webjournalist:
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Q2: 80% should be developing the site: tools for journos, latest tech experiments and better user features. 20% editorial projects. #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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hgondo:
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RT @emilymerwin: oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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ro_ra:
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@MDiTVOrg is a brand-new company and the role of the tech people is still being ironed out; they wear many hats. #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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KatieRogers:
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Talented Trib team RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, yall are the first to know, were built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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msjardijn:
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you mean #wjchat? |
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1:23 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Q2: Ideally,progs are seen as practicing journ, sometimes integrated w/projects, sometimes stand-alone pieces. Doesn't happen often. #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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thilosavage:
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Q2: To write software.. #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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jaosullivanx:
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We're so far behind the world, people here still read papers RT @Walldo How can news orgs stay alive without folks focused on web? #wjchat |
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1:23 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat Have all key talent in-house or buy them in (Apple). It's like globalization theory: the mixture of talent ignites creative hubs. |
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1:23 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q2: We work in the newsroom, in close contact with reporters and editors, often early in their reporting, helping collect data, etc. |
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1:23 am
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RobinJP:
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Q2: if you're not using a web developer in a full partnership in the newsroom you are crazy ... ours is, and I hope he thinks so.. #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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hgondo:
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@webjournalist yes but usually they are running around just fixing glitches and hardware #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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shortformernie:
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Peeking my head in. Ernie Smith of Washington Post Express and http://shortformblog.com/. I'm kinda cool. #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @jaosullivanx: We're so far behind the world, people here still read papers RT @Walldo How can news orgs stay alive without folks focused on web? #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@derekwillis Do you find that helping w/random tasks around newsroom interrupts flow of development time? #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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yelvington:
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We do more plumbing than journalism at corporate. Hoping to shift the balance on that with crossbreed hires. #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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mattwaite:
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@vanguardiste it mostly helps translating newsroom intent into code. Having worked with editors, you know what they want vs say #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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Chanders:
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On the train and blackberry bound, but just wanted to let #wjchat Im following the hashtag |
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1:24 am
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codyshotwell:
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congrats! RT @AbsolutEvan: Hi everyone. Recent graduate of ASU J-School and just hired at AZ Capitol Times #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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Chronotope:
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@emilymerwin I tend to do the same. We only got our own programmer at @GMUStudentMedia last year, makes a huge difference. #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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hubertallen:
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Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat |
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1:24 am
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derekwillis:
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@michelleminkoff not often we do random tasks for the newsrooms. the probs i mentioned are more substantial and have a web use. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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webjournalist:
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@breannagaddie Honestly, I don't think that makes sense. A photoj should focus on their craft, but be plugged into Web & Dev needs. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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Shishev:
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RT @onemoreryan #wjchat Hey, I'm Ryan Pitts, editor for digital media @spokesmanreview. I wrangle Django, databases and web design. |
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1:25 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @derekwillis: Q2 at NYT we play a growing role in how we do data & storytelling on the web. they also solve problems for the newsroom and users. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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kleinmatic:
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Curious how many #wjchat participants are going to NICAR next month in Phoenix. |
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1:25 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @hubertallen: Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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gotoPlanB:
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@mattwaite Right, and have better ammunition against scope creep when you can bring it back to features serving journalist mission. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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newswithnumbers:
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journalists and coders... should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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derekwillis:
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@majorh we make a good stab at it, i think. it's our own version of agile, but it helps. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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vanguardiste:
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hubertallen Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@kleinmatic One here! And I'm pumped! #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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stretchphoto:
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RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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webjournalist:
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@hgondo YES! I forgot to mention that... maintenance is a HUGE time suck. When we post something online it's forever! Can't avoid it #wjchat |
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1:25 am
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Chronotope:
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Heh - RT @hubertallen: Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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erikgable:
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#wjchat Q2 What role do programmers play in our organization? I'd like to start with them EXISTING. ;-) |
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1:26 am
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anthonydb:
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I'll be at NICAR ... on a couple panels and teaching a hands-on class. Wouldn't miss it! #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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onyxfish:
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Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker's skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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brianboyer:
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@kleinmatic Half the team, @ryanmark and I, will be at NICAR. #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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schwanksta:
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Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk |
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1:26 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @RobinJP: Q2: if you're not using a web developer in a full partnership in the newsroom you are crazy ... ours is, and I hope he thinks so.. #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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alexschmidt:
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@hubertallen good point. i've often wondered why they don't seem 2 have their own opinions. maybe code takes up too much brain space #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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emilymerwin:
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reporters do give me most of my data and I have a wonderful data analyst at my disposal. They give me data and I make it engaging #wjchat Q2 |
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1:26 am
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hgondo:
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Our first programmer wanted to be part of the visioning team and that set us back a year...still trying to clean up #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q2: We work in the newsroom, in close contact with reporters and editors, often early in their reporting, helping collect data, etc. |
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1:26 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q2 I find it differs from shop to shop. In some places, they're integral to the reporting teams. In others, they're grunts. #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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kensands:
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#wjchat I'm not a coder but I like to eavesdrop. |
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1:26 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@newswithnumbers Definitely. Collaborating usually produces better results. #wjchat |
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1:26 am
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RobinJP:
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@kleinmatic #wjchat NICAR yes! |
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1:27 am
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mattwynn:
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Q2: wherever you can be useful. Personally, that has meant50% internal tools, 25 CAR, 25 external #Wjchat |
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1:27 am
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webjournalist:
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@hubertallen Do you want them as short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas? I want them pitching/shaping sites. #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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onyxfish:
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@alexschmidt @hubertallen If that is the case you are simply hiring the wrong programmers. #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Q2 we're in this kinda strange spot between platform vs project. Most of what we do takes journalism + data to make new platform |
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1:27 am
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hgondo:
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@alexschmidt @hubertallen too much input from them may not be what you want though! #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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JoanJHuang:
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Greetings #wjchat. I'm Joan Huang, a grad student in quant soc sci methods. I like data, I like news, & so find myself in your fine company. |
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1:27 am
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kmcurry:
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RT @onyxfish: Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker's skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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anthonydb:
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15 years ago, the programmer was the IT guy in the air conditioned room downstairs. Now, the programmer is the journo next to you. #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @newswithnumbers: journalists and coders... should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@webjournalist True, but I think the idea is so that I'm more market-able & media outlets can use "one-man band" person(s). #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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Chronotope:
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@BrianManzullo Yeah, the question is what skill sets they have beyond the programming and how familiar the others are w/what they do #wjchat |
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1:27 am
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mattwynn:
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@hgondo thats hilarious! #Wjchat |
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1:27 am
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jordanfifer:
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@alexschmidt @hubertallen I think many programmers aren't journalists. Only now are journalists becoming programmers. #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @newswithnumbers: journalists and coders... should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @MacDivaONA: Q2 I find it differs from shop to shop. In some places, they're integral to the reporting teams. In others, they're grunts. #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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michelleminkoff:
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RT @anthonydb: 15 years ago, the prog was the IT guy in the air conditioned room downstairs. Now, the prog is the journo next to you #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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hubertallen:
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@alexschmidt I wonder if programmers are intimidated by newsroom culture/hierarchy sometimes. They don't have journ. backgrounds. #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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codyshotwell:
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Cody here, web coordinator at SABEW. On the slow boat to learning AJAX, JavaScript, super-fancy CSS, AS3, PHP and other acronyms #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat @onyxfish It makes me sad to see credits at the bottom like a newspaper graphic. We put bylines on our work, right at the top. |
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1:28 am
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Chronotope:
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Q2: Part of the issue when it comes to working w/all is the question of if everyone else knows what sort of questions to ask. #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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Walldo:
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@jordanfifer I'm one of those journalists becoming (slowly) a programmer #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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marshallk:
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I wish we had more programmers on staff at ReadWriteWeb.com #wjchat |
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1:28 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat So, sorta in the newsroom and sorta not. Is it ideal? At least until we get to focus on news projects it is. |
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1:28 am
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thilosavage:
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@hubertallen Some coders just aren't very creative. That's fine.. You don't expect a dish washer to invent a new kind of soap. #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @schwanksta: Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk |
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1:29 am
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MegBiallas:
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Computer science majors aren't learning the same things as journalism majors. That's where collaboration comes in. #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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travispillow:
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@MacDivaONA When progs are treated like grunts is it the org or the progs themselves that positions them like that? #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @RobinJP: Q2: if you're not using a web developer in a full partnership in the newsroom you are crazy ... ours is, and I hope he thinks so.. #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @RobinJP: Q2: if you're not using a developer in a full partnership in the newsroom ur crazy ... ours is, & I hope he thinks so. #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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strobie:
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@webjournalist Q2: Our programmer helps shape ideas, but he's not newsroom exclusive ? shared with ad/marketing efforts. Rough. #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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AbsolutEvan:
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@kleinmatic can't wait! wouldn't miss it! Then again, I live in Phoenix #wjchat |
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1:29 am
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hgondo:
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RT @Chronotope:Part of the issue when it comes 2 working w/all is the question of if everyone else knows what sort of Qs to ask #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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RobinJP:
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@codyshotwell hey, I didn't know you got that job... congrats.. stop by.. #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @schwanksta: Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk |
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1:30 am
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mattwynn:
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@marshallk What would you do with them? #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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ro_ra:
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An example of what our tech team does for @MDiTVOrg #MDiTV together: http://bit.ly/cXhmkq #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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brianboyer:
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@newswithnumbers I think of our team as very similar to photojournalists. Except instead of cameras, we've got laptops. :) #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@MegBiallas It'd be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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srwellman:
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RT @marshallk: I wish we had more programmers on staff at ReadWriteWeb.com #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @webjournalist: @hubertallen Do you want them as short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas? I want them pitching/shaping sites. #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @brianboyer: @newswithnumbers I think of our team as very similar to photojournalists. Except instead of cameras, we've got laptops. :) #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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newswithnumbers:
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@brianboyer and instead of pictures... visualizations. #wjchat |
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1:30 am
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webjournalist:
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@strobie Dang. The crew I was with was down the hall. We wanted to develop the site a ton to improve it before editorial projects. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @BrianManzullo: @MegBiallas It'd be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@Chronotope That's why it's imp for progs + all journs to learn a bit about what the other does, so they understand the background. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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msjardijn:
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so its a separate chat...afaiu #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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hubertallen:
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@thilosavage True! But having worked with a creative programmer in the past, I can't help but hope they all have potential. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @onyxfish: Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker's skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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mtdukes:
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#wjchat I've seen good collab b/w programmers and journos in the past, esp when both are passionate. They come at it from diff directions. |
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1:31 am
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killbutton:
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RT @thilosavage @hubertallen Some coders just arent very creative.Thats fine. U dont expect a dishwasher 2 invent a new kind of soap #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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jordanfifer:
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What's with all this talk about "using" programmers? They ain't your bitch. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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mattwynn:
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@MegBiallas Sure, but it's easier to teach journalism than CS. Tell truth. Be curious. Else? #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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aqadan:
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they should chefs, creative yet productive :D #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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dancow:
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#wjchat Hi, one of the developers from propublica here. I think having developers shape ideas from the start is critical |
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1:31 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q2 Mktg has its own team we work with, but of our 2.5 devs, 2 are in newsroom (and .5 is @mtigas). Wouldn't have it any other way. |
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1:31 am
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Chronotope:
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I see newsrooms filling in the gap with many journalists picking up a little bit of code just so the whole org gets by. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@travispillow In my experience, it's been the organizations themselves. But it often turns into a chicken & egg thing. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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jameswilkerson:
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#wjchat Q2 It can be tough to find programmers who are comfortable with our "let's do it right now" attitude. |
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1:31 am
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SLODeveloper:
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Q2: I write code for new features, and work with our CMS, scrape data. Ideal role: VP of awesomeness. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q3. #wjchat |
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1:31 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Like new relations we're having on the biz side. RT @hubertallen Many progros aren't journos. Only now are journos becoming progros. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @webjournalist: @hubertallen Do you want short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas?I want them pitching/shaping sites #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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journatweets:
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@wjchat Question: I wasn't taught coding/progrming in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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erikgable:
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Agreed. RT @BrianManzullo: It'd be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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dancow:
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Non-developer journalists frequently have poor ideas on how data is best structured (and collected) #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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anthonydb:
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@brianboyer I like that analogy ... I see our newsroom evolving more into teams of specialists that collaborate. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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schwanksta:
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@brianboyer re: top bylines: Good idea, but I can't see how to fit in our stuff. Also diff b/w ppl who build app vs. content-fillers #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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DawnVanNess:
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#wjchat in grad school, taking up html/css/php but it is being taught by those self-taught. not ideal. rough starts. |
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1:32 am
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Walldo:
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1 of my biggest regrets at uni was not roping in our head photog. He was a CS major who liked taking pics, so he joined our staff. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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hgondo:
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RT @journatweets: I wasnt taught coding/progrming in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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greglinch:
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Definitely echo the sentiment that reporters should work with coders like they (should) work as equals with photogs, designers, etc. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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brianboyer:
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@majorh Yep! But that's why we're agile. We need to be able to drop everything and turn on a dime. Iterations and constant comm. #wjchat |
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1:32 am
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killbutton:
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@dancow How does this happen at propublica? What's the process? #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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eyeseast:
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Just dropping into #wjchat. I'm Chris Amico, interactives editor for @NewsHour |
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1:33 am
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mattwynn:
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RT @journatweets: Question: I wasnt taught coding in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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webjournalist:
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Agreed! It's not us vs them. It's just us. RT @jordanfifer: What's w/ all this talk about "using" programmers? They ain't ur bitch. #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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hubertallen:
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@webjournalist I want their ideas. When I ask, they have them. But ours aren't often proactive with projects ... yet! #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish It makes me sad to see credits at the bottom like a newspaper graphic. We put bylines on our work, right at the top. |
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1:33 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Can you elaborate? RT @dancow Non-developer journalists frequently have poor ideas on how data is best structured (and collected) #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat I've managed an awesome team at HS and it was wonderful to see people with totally different backgrounds to merge into HS.fi motor. |
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1:33 am
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Walldo:
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He was our head photographer but never put his CS education to use. Oops. #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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Chronotope:
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@michelleminkoff Indeed! I wonder what the best way is to do that? It can seem journos and devs speak very different languages. #wjchat |
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1:33 am
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mediatwit:
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Interesting Twit-chat going on at #wjchat now, talking about coding and journalism issues. Still difficult to follow Twitter chats. |
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1:34 am
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codyshotwell:
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yes! was saying today that I need to come down and sync with you on all sorts of stuff... I'll swing by tmrw! @RobinJP #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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alexschmidt:
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@hgondo @journatweets it takes a lifetime to become a good reporter, and a lifetime to become a good programmer. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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greglinch:
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@journatweets Great question. That's something we'll be tackling towards the end to leave for more time. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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jordanfifer:
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Agreed. RT @greglinch ...reporters should work with coders like they (should) work as equals with photogs, designers, etc. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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mattwynn:
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@jaosullivanx That is a major -- maybe THE major -- breakdown in working on projects with homegrown data. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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albertsun:
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More cross training between programming/data skills and reporting skills is necessary. Need to understand what's possible to do. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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NicoleFugere:
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devs definitely speak a different language...at least @lordgluttony does here :) #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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SuziSteffen:
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Thanks y'all, I gotta pop off for a Skype board meeting. Can't wait to read transcript! #outtahere #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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@mediatwit Try TweetChat. Working well for me. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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Chronotope:
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@hubertallen I feel like that is part of the culture. What is needed from them in newsroom is /very/ different from other workplaces #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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hubertallen:
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Sorry for the bombardment of tweets. Participating in a #wjchat. I'll stop the rapid fire when it's over! :) Come join us! |
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1:34 am
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DawnVanNess:
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@journatweets it is like they want us to know how to do anything; I suspect it is because they want to squeeze blood from turnips. #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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loritodd:
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@mediatwit give TweetChat.com a try. It is making it much easier to follow, though still moving a bit fast! #wjchat |
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1:34 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q2 We hired an online editor a year/two back that knew a lot about Web coding, but NOTHING about JRN. Be careful when hiring. #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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schwanksta:
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A main function @palewire and I serve is helping newsroom & editors realize *realistic* goals. Projects must be shaped by reality. #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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greglinch:
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A note to everyone in #wjchat, we'll be getting to specific skills and resources later. Please keep followups related to current question. |
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1:35 am
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wjchat:
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Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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rspitzer:
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Trying to follow great conversation at #wjchat right now but I'm just not quick enough! |
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1:35 am
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mattwynn:
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Geez, had no idea there were places where programmers were treated like sludge. #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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derekwillis:
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@dancow but that can be overcome, with experience and guidance. #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat If you find Agile constricting, you'll feel right at home in news. We quote Bill O'Reilly almost daily: F*** it. We'll do it live! |
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1:35 am
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alexschmidt:
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@greglinch yes sir ;) #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @wjchat Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@BrianManzullo While still in coll, I took a Media Informatics class that taught Flash (my 2nd semester of Flash) - no HTML/CSS/PHP #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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NicoleFugere:
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@rspitzer try tweetchat.com! #wjchat |
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1:35 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:36 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @KelseyProud: RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:36 am
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SusannaSpeier:
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Its helpful to find an online glossary to get the basic codes. RT @journatweets Question:I wasnt taught coding in school,now[edited] #wjchat |
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1:36 am
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rspitzer:
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@NicoleFugere That does help a lot! Thanks! #wjchat |
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1:36 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q3 First and foremost: People with a true understanding of Web journalism and its connection with coding/dev #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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diedsj:
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@KelseyProud lack of understanding from upper-management about how the web works... #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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Walldo:
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Q3 every CMS has its own quirks and bugs you need to work around #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q3: money, vision, relationship with "the people formerly known as the audience." #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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mattwynn:
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Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I'd like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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onemoreryan:
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@brianboyer Amen to that. We don't do Agile by the book, but in practice yes. (I do NOT want to wait to push something cool live ;) #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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dancow:
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@derekwillis> Definitely, that's why it's ideal to have a culture where developers are part of the brainstorming/planning phase #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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vanguardiste:
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@albertsun Agree. If journalists don't learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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MacDivaONA:
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If you're using Seesmic, Tweetdeck or Twhirl, you can also set up a separate column for #wjchat tweets. Use search. |
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1:37 am
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KelseyProud:
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@diedsj I can imagine... disconnects from management/journos/journocoders/coders are huge. #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@BreannaGaddie That's sad. Flash is interesting and can be useful, but cumbersome and skills aren't transferable like HTML/CSS/PHP #wjchat |
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1:37 am
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jaosullivanx:
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My big fear is to learn too many things half-assed. RT @alexschmidt takes a lifetime each to be a good reporter and a good progro. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat Q3 seriously? |
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1:38 am
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hubertallen:
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Q3: Too many ideas, devices and needs but not enough time and resources. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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thilosavage:
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Q3: We try too hard to be innovate and ground breaking. A website should be a tool first and artistic expression second. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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nathanbyrne:
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RT @wjchat Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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mtdukes:
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#wjchat Q3: Getting everybody on board is a big challenge for the Web. We've got to be feisty, or else! |
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1:38 am
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mattwynn:
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Also on Q3, constraints on working within existing advertising ecosystem. Ads targeted to specific URl roots. Ignorance on my part. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @vanguardiste: @albertsun Agree. If journalists don't learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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KelseyProud:
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YES RT @vanguardiste If journalists dont learn at least some of dev side potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @mattwynn: Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I'd like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q3 CMS is an obstacle almost everywhere. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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jordanfifer:
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Q3 Trying to much to be innovative, but not serving the basic needs of the reader. #wjchat |
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1:38 am
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shortformernie:
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Q3: Conservatism. Just because it's always been done that way doesn't mean it should be. #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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diedsj:
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form follows function
#wjchat |
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1:39 am
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Chronotope:
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@jaosullivanx I would rather learn many things and chance not learning them in depth than learn nothing at all. #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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dancow:
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Also, traditional reporters can find it hard to abandon the notion that narrative is the best way to tell a story. #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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Chronotope:
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Q3: @GMUStudentMedia we need more agility and more people to watch over and improve our mult. products simultaneously. #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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mattwynn:
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@Chronotope I'm not saying I love the guy's work all the time. But to be allowed to punt on design wholesale? FREEDOM! #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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anthonydb:
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Q3. I'd say we just need more people with the skills. Opportunity and desire are there.#wjchat |
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1:39 am
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erikgable:
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Q3 Biggest problem is time to focus on it. We know it's essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat |
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1:39 am
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KelseyProud:
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@RobinJP @mattwynn Fear of failure is a big one, yes. It's also the PRICE of failure. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q3 Problem used to be buy-in from room. Not so much anymore - so many good ideas people want to see, we can't keep up with demand. |
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1:40 am
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Chronotope:
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@mattwynn *Jealous* #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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loritodd:
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@shortformernie Re: Conservatism ... It's a widespread problem in all newsrooms. I'm lucky to be at a place that values innovation. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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CalFitzSimmons:
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Q3 I work with smart people and some wonder how an online strategy is going to give them any job security. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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killbutton:
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@thilosavage Innovation just design? Not way the website can be used? #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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strobie:
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@webjournalist Yeah, we're pulling our guy in 10 directions at once. Smart guy, creative. Same idea: boost site, then projects. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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erikgable:
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RT @vanguardiste: If journalists don't learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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jordanfifer:
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RT @thilosavage: We try too hard to be innovate and ground breaking. Website should be a tool first and artistic expression second. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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lalorek:
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Learning basic code is not hard - easier to teach a journalist code than a programmer journalism #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q3: I'd say our org's biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It's so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. |
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1:40 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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albertsun:
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Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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ro_ra:
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Q3 the disconnect b/w dreams of the art and production team and the realities of having a working website. #wjchat #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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Chronotope:
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Q3: Also, more integration with our day to day reporting and posting. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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mattwynn:
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.@dancow I don't think it's ignorance... what we know comes easiest. Narrative is fantastically flexible. #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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hgondo:
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RT @lalorek: Learning basic code is not hard - easier to teach a journalist code than a programmer journalism #wjchat |
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1:40 am
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diedsj:
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usability is underestimated
#wjchat |
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1:40 am
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wmbenedetto:
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To any journalists in #wjchat: If you need a designer/developer to help translate or opine on tech stories, feel free to contact me. |
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1:40 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Amen RT @erikgable Biggest problem is time to focus. It's essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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newswithnumbers:
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can tech help prove/convince readers that journo is unbiased? I think YES. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. [VERY much agree] #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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@lalorek I'm calling bullshit on that. Sry, but much easier to teach journo than programming. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Q3 Changing mindset in everyday coverage. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Q3 Biggest challenge? Time. There's so much we can do and there's just not enough time. Bothers me. |
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1:41 am
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Walldo:
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Q3 One big factor is no "answer" to solving media crises . We all know its online/digital/etc. but no clear path to get there. Yet. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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mattwynn:
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RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journos, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for non-dev peers #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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RobinJP:
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Q3: challenges. besides not enough time in the day.. I'd love to have a quick and easy way to get feedback from our users #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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webjournalist:
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Q3: Really, I think the challenge is in the lack of understand & using the craft. Programmers do a TON more than editorial projects. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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hubertallen:
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@erikgable Yes! We spend so much time getting little things done, it's hard to find time for long term. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @mattwynn: Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I'd like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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hgondo:
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RT@albertsun:Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do 4 non-dev peers #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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emilyingram:
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RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journos, we should design a crash course curriculum in how & what data & code can do for our non-dev peers #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Or, shorter and sweeter: RT @MacDivaONA Not enough people to work on too many ideas. |
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1:41 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@brianboyer @macdivaona What do you think it's going to take for news orgs to break free of an old CMS? #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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killbutton:
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@mattwynn YES PLEASE #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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rspitzer:
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Oh, totally agree. RT @selfmadepsyche: @lalorek Im calling bullshit on that. Sry, but much easier to teach journo than programming. #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @vanguardiste: @albertsun Agree. If journalists don't learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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mulho2mj:
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Upset that I have to miss the #wjchat tonight... Again. Someone backed out of an assignment for work. |
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1:42 am
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thilosavage:
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@killbutton Design. Being innovation with usability is great, just way too difficult for non-geniuses #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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mattwynn:
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Q3 meetings where people come up with ideas to improve product. AKA: feature creep. Aka: Just call it good and let's move on. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Amen again. RT @albertsun Hacker journos, we should design a crash course in how and what data/code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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sdulai:
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Q3: That it's worth monetary &time investment when they c prt bringin in more revenue w/o new costs, it's hard 2b convincing #wjchat #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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Chronotope:
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Q3: Oh and we just don't have the people, budget or time to go through proper dev steps. We really need to do more testing w/users #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q3 (answer 2): One challenge we *don't* have is the reporters and editors. They're awesome, and almost always get it. |
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1:42 am
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strobie:
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Q3: Manpower. Tons of good ideas, need more bodies. I joke about becoming a multi-tentacled hydra to get it all done. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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Walldo:
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@selfmadepsyche its easy to teach J, but very few actually learn it. 75% jstudents are rubbish, 15% are naturals, 10% can learn #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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derekwillis:
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@michelleminkoff APIs are one way. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @albertsun Hacker journos, we should design a crash course in how and what data/code can do for our non-dev peers. [Good idea!] #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: I'd say our org's biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It's so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. |
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1:43 am
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joeboydston:
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#wjchat Q3 we lack quality ideas.
http://www.joeboydston.com/innovation-contest/ |
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1:43 am
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Jamesco:
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Q3: We have tons of smart people with tons of ideas. Difficultly comes in managing all the ideas, selecting them, and moving forward #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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mckennaewen:
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Too many great projects never happen because journalists don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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mattwynn:
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@brianboyer Hear hear. Or is it here here? #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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PBSIdeaLab:
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Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it's a luxury. I always say re dev: "there's good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two." ... |
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1:43 am
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PBSIdeaLab:
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ryansholin: Ryan Sholin from Publish2, strictly listening and learning tonight here at #wjchat: ryansholin: Ryan Sholin from Publish2,... |
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1:43 am
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PBSIdeaLab:
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ryansholin: RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight's guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos ... |
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1:43 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q4. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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vanguardiste:
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LOL! RT @strobie Q3 Manpower.Tons of good ideas, need more bodies. I joke about becoming a multi-tentacled hydra to get it all done. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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jordanfifer:
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@brianboyer Well put, and likewise for us. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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dancow:
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@lalorek I think online journalism has shown that people can grasp basic journalism tenets without the need for formal training #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @shortformernie: Q3: Conservatism. Just because it's always been done that way doesn't mean it should be. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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Chronotope:
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@strobie I too often wish for more arms, screens and keyboards and the ability to use them simultaneously :P #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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KarenUnland:
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Yes please! #yegmediacamp RT @albertsun: Hacker journalists, we should design a crash course in data and code for our non-dev peers. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @Walldo: @selfmadepsyche its easy to teach J, but few actually learn it. 75% jstudents are rubbish, 15% naturals, 10% can learn #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @dancow: Also, traditional reporters can find it hard to abandon the notion that narrative is the best way to tell a story. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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mattwynn:
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I should add that my own learning-on-the-job is a holdup, too. Q3 #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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notblue:
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Q3 Lack of $ & old media ideas. We have only 2 people in our web dept, & of the 2, I'm the only one with any knowledge of web stuff #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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jordanfifer:
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RT @brianboyer: Biggest tech challenge is our CMS. Its so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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hgondo:
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LOL RT@brianboyer: our orgs biggest tech challenge is our CMS.Its so old & shitty it stops smart people frm having good ideas #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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KatieRogers:
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Q3 Want to self-teach, but a lot of the time I don't even know where to start. Lots of content/blogs, but not for beginners. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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thilosavage:
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@joeboydston Just steal ideas. If there's one thing the internet has available, it's good ideas. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@michelleminkoff APIs are one way A solid biz case is another. The capital investment & contracts can lock firms in for too long. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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kathleensulli:
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Couldn't have said it better! RT @mattwaite: #wjchat Biggest challenge? Time. There's so much we can do and there's just not enough time. |
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1:44 am
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dancow:
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@lalorek eveyrone learns at least how to question and communicate as part of living; some are better than others #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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mattwaite:
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RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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eyeseast:
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Q3 Knowing the limits of what's possible is always a challenge. Knowing what will be hard, what will be easy. True for me, too. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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ErnestWilkins:
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@brianboyer Brother, you aint kidding. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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michaelkruse:
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Always. Everything. RT @mattwaite #wjchat Q3 Biggest challenge? Time. There's so much we can do and there's just not enough time. |
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1:44 am
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brianboyer:
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@michelleminkoff Bankruptcy or courage. It's time for a reboot. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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emilyingram:
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RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen b/c journos don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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Chronotope:
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@mckennaewen Yes, I wish we could get every journo to understand that these days you need to know at least some code. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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mattwynn:
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RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists dont see themselves as programmers. Gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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onyxfish:
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What can code do for jounalism? Thats not hard. A jaw-dropping NYT data-viz links makes the rounds on Twitter about every other day. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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marshallk:
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@mattwynn if we had more programmers on staff I would simply ask them to do fabulous things. whatever they could think of #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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vanguardiste:
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@mckennaewen It should start in J-School?as part of required courses! #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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yelvington:
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Q3: Resources (enough people) and coherence (coordination, not shooting off in disconnected directions). #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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nathanbyrne:
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@Chronotope Colleges/universities might be good sources for free or low-cost usability testing. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: I'd say our org's biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It's so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. |
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1:45 am
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mattwynn:
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Oh man, that's so true. When people ask "how do you learn this stuff?" Pick a project, make it happen. You learn by doing. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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hgondo:
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SO who's willing to teach those of us who are RTing for a primer on programming/coding?! #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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wcochran:
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#wjchat as an editor my biggest challenge is greed and impatience. I want it all and I want it now. Ask @mattwaite |
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1:45 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat Q3> Scrapping bad ideas quickly and concentrating on the good. Killing parts of the site that nobody really uses. Editorial vanity. |
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1:45 am
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newswithnumbers:
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@brianboyer @michelleminkoff sounds like the biz-adage... sunk cost is no excuse. It's what your continuing to spend. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen b/c journos don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@michelleminkoff The thing about APIs: You need people who can figure out how to use them or tools that make it easy if they can't. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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Chronotope:
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@brianboyer The issue is also finding a CMS that can do what we need. >.< #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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MegBiallas:
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Improving j-schools means bringing in faculty who have exper. in both areas. I'll be quizzing some potential @butleru faculty soon. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @yelvington: Q3: Resources (enough people) and coherence (coordination, not shooting off in disconnected directions). #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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alexschmidt:
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Q3 @eyeseast how about communicating to colleagues/higher ups the limits of what may/may not be possible? that may be even tougher #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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majorh:
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@pekkapekkala CMSs can definitely be a roadblock. That's why a lot of data-based projects have no ties to a newsroom's CMS. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @jaosullivanx: Amen RT @erikgable Biggest problem is time to focus. It's essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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thilosavage:
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@hgondo If there's one thing the internet has, it's free coding tutorials. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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greglinch:
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Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool or platform. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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profkakie:
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@mckennaewen @vanguardiste I'm thinking it should start in second grade. it is the coin of the realm, worldwide, as they say. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @MegBiallas: Improving j-schools means bringing in faculty who have exper. in both areas. I'll be quizzing some potential @butleru faculty soon. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@mckennaewan I think too much of a fear of code is perpetuated, often even in j-schools. That must change. See coding as possible. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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webjournalist:
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LOL! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: Our biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It's old & shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. |
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1:47 am
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alexschmidt:
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@hgondo lynda.com isn't free, but it's truly awesome #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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BrianManzullo:
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You don't need expert knowledge of Web coding/dev - a lot of times, basic knowledge will go a long way. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kategardiner Here's to hoping it's "throw-away-the-box" thinking :-) #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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ro_ra:
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The entire web team and 1 reporter @MDiTVOrg sitting together for this chat. What leads to innovation: communication #wjchat #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Where do we find them? RT @thilosavage @hgondo If there's one thing the internet has, it's free coding tutorials. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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hgondo:
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@thilosavage i dont even know where to start! which ones to learn! and for what? #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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jordanfifer:
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@emilymerwin @erikgable Maybe solution is to have two diff teams - 1 on the day-to-day, the other long term. Takes more ppl, tho. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat @vanguardiste I can't imagine learning code in a classroom. I find it much easier to pick a project & learn along the way. |
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1:47 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @michelleminkoff: @mckennaewan I think too much of a fear of code is perpetuated, often even in j-schools. That must change. See coding as possible. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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lalorek:
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@selfmadepsyche Respectfully disagree. You can take a class & learn coding quickly. It takes years to become a good journalist. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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yelvington:
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We have a plan to deal with the CMS issue. If it works, I'll let you know in a couple of months. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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Chronotope:
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@nathanbyrne I work at a University, the issue is finding someone with expertise to run them and the budget to do them. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Q3: I second @Jamesco. Managing big ideas and seeing them through for the long term is tough. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@hgondo What do you want to learn? There are lots of resources out there. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @Chronotope: @strobie I too often wish for more arms, screens and keyboards and the ability to use them simultaneously :P #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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mattwynn:
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.@wjchat Here's one: For non-traditional programmers, how did you start? #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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Chronotope:
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@hgondo These days I'm still leaning towards Python. I guess the question is what exactly you want to do :/ #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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journatweets:
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Good point @albertsun: If journos don't learn at least some of dev side potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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mattwynn:
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For journalist-come-programmers, what was your first coding task? #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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rspitzer:
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@lalorek I think the difference is in how you define good - takes years to become a "good" programmer, too. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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BrianManzullo:
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People should learn Web coding/dev like they do journalism: By doing it. Throw yourself into the fire. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@macdivaona That's true of many tech tools. If someone in newsroom knows enough, they could make it more accessible. But only if. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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Jamesco:
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@wjchat Q: What coding/programming skills should journalist learn. Where do we start to create dynamic content? #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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CalFitzSimmons:
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We can sometimes get caught up in the immediacy of online. Storytelling skills are valuable there, too. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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derekwillis:
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@hgondo google how to think like a computer scientist and choose the python version #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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strobie:
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@Chronotope @brianboyer Show me a person totally happy with their CMS, I'll show you a person with a lobotomy. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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moorehn:
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RT @greglinch: Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool or platform. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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yelvington:
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But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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wjchat:
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Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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hgondo:
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@MacDivaONA for starters, what is the most basic thing to learn? #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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mattwynn:
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@lalorek Sure. And then you'll be a crappy coder. The basics of both are easy. Proficiency at either is hard. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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Walldo:
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I was 'co-prof' for a multimedia-j class, so Im available to J's wanting 2learn web. Not progging, but bridging them 2 web content #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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derekwillis:
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@mattwynn parsing text files. then scraping. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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thilosavage:
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@hgondo Oh. Well the best way to learn is to buy a hosting plan and start messing around. Learn HTML first, then implement CSS/PHP #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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yelvington:
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The trick is to structure your data well, embrace APIs, and hang loose. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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alexschmidt:
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@MacDivaONA @hgondo start not with what you want to learn, but what you want to see, then figure out what u need to learn to make it #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q3 Another hurdle - buy-in from biz side and/or local advertising community. We think about revenue these days, but need their help. |
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1:49 am
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notblue:
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@McKennaEwen @vanguardiste A lot of people can't just "learn along the way." #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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hgondo:
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@derekwillis will do; thanks #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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Chronotope:
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@strobie lol. @yelvington - a good argument for a self-made CMS if I ever heard one. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@hgondo @derekwillis I second the how to think like a cs ref. It's my life now. Very helpful. #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @mattwynn: I should add that my own learning-on-the-job is a holdup, too. Q3 #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @wjchat: Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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hgondo:
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@thilosavage that's exactly what i wanted to know! thanks! #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you're ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?) |
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1:50 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Agree with people saying start somewhere. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer. Build and see where it leads. |
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1:50 am
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Walldo:
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I rebuilt college site solo on WP, had 2teach myself progging along the way. Site is rough and u can tell I was new, but its a start #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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erikgable:
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@JordanFifer Yep, it would help. Trouble is so many orgs aren't big enough to afford luxury of long-term people... #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@hgondo Depends. What is it that you'd like to do? #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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mattwynn:
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@mattwaiteis so effin cool. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer. Build and see where it leads. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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journatweets:
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Good pt RT@vanguardiste If journos don't learn @ least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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greglinch:
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For non-coders, I highly recommend reading/listening to materials on Computational Thinking http://bit.ly/bWEZ8j #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you're ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?) |
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1:51 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@brianboyer For beginning prog, I'm a big fan of the Head First series -- prog intro features Python http://headfirstlabs.com/ #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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amysimons:
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Huge! Overcome that and you're halfway there!!! RT @nathanbyrne: Q3 Changing mindset in everyday coverage. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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notblue:
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Q4 For the majority of stuff we do, I'm the journalist AND the programmer. I like to say that I can "speak geek." #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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anthonydb:
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I've yet to meet a programming problem I couldn't solve with Google. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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nathanbyrne:
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RT @yelvington But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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jordanfifer:
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Q4 Encourage programmers' ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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killbutton:
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@mckennaewen I want an example... #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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thejefflarson:
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Propublica dev here. @Jamesco they should start with web scraping, it'll teach them the fundamental lang and structure of the web. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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NicoleFugere:
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@walldo is progging that you call programming? lol #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @anthonydb: I've yet to meet a programming problem I couldn't solve with Google. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kategardiner Not sure if I catch what you mean? I'm a fan of imagining what could be done w/o limits to push innovation. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat journos underestimate their skill to learn basic stuff and overestimate their capability to learn actual programming/database stuff. |
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1:52 am
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hgondo:
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@MacDivaONA Got good suggestions from @chronotope @thilosavage @michelleminkoff on basic place to start #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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derekwillis:
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Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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onemoreryan:
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@brianboyer Best book suggestion, imho: http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q4: Still figuring that one out. Programmer needs to speak plain English, journo needs to understand basics of programming. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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notblue:
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Q4 Basically, find someone who can "translate" between the 2. Otherwise, nobody knows what the hell the other's talking about. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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JayneJuvan:
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RT @moorehn RT @greglinch Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool/platform #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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KatieRogers:
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Perfect. RT @derekwillis: Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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dancow:
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@thejefflarson said what I was thinking: learn web scraping first. It's a fundamental tool in reporting and you see fruit quickly #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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kwonjuga:
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???? ????? ?? ??????. #wjchat ????? ??? ??weekly chat?? ?? 2? ??????. ??? Speaking Geek: A discussion about journalism |
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1:52 am
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lalorek:
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@wjchat Q4 Let both professions switch roles for a week or two. We did this at the South Fla. Sun-Sentinel = success & respect #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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onyxfish:
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Learn Python, save the world. Starting point: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: http://bit.ly/ysHnh #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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RobinJP:
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or photoshop.. or ... rt @anthonydb I've yet to meet a programming problem I couldn't solve with Google. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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bshendr:
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Congratulations! RT @nathanbyrne: Hello, all. I'm new media manager for KQTV in St. Joseph, Mo. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Programming can be tough to pick up, but two of the four of our team are self-taught. Try it: You might be awesome. |
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1:52 am
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jordanfifer:
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True story. RT @hubertallen Q4: Familiarizing journos/progros with each other's language/work-flow/skills is absolutely key. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kategardiner Obviously the "real world" is still real. But if we never think beyond it we may never achieve the extraordinary #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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MacDivaONA:
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+! RT @derekwillis Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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alixbryan:
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RT @jordanfifer Q4 Encourage programmers' ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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@anthonydb I have, but then I tried Twitter and that worked. :) #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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onemoreryan:
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Agreed. RT @anthonydb I've yet to meet a programming problem I couldn't solve with Google. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q4 Actually include programmers into the journalistic process... and get journos to learn a little bit about programming too #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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Walldo:
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@NicoleFugere Haha yes, barely-shorthand I picked up from a friend of mine. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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KelseyProud:
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Q4: We're joining forces (CS/Journos) to build iPhone apps here at Mizzou. I'm part of a class that has teams doing so. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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notblue:
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Best. Reference. Site. Ever. RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ |
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1:53 am
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mckennaewen:
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Enough said. RT @mattwaite #wjchat Agree with people saying start somewhere. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer. |
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1:53 am
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eyeseast:
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Not as cool as @mattwaite with @politifact, but my first public app was @newstools, and it got me a job at @newshour #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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hubertallen:
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Agree. Just asking them has done well for me. RT @jordanfifer Q4 Encourage programmers' ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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Chronotope:
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@hgondo Ooo, if you want to go the CSS+HTML route, http://www.csszengarden.com/ and their book is pretty much the bomb. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you're ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?) |
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1:54 am
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diedsj:
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for non-coders id really suggest reading "what would google do" by jeff jarvis (eventhough he sucks at twittering)
#wjchat |
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1:54 am
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yelvington:
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Website management is not the same problem as newsroom workflow management. Must be distinct + interop. #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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dancow:
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#wjchat for new programmers, install Ruby and nokogiri, an HTML-reading library. Then just look up tutorials on how to scrape basic sites |
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1:54 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@brianboyer It's not as tough as I thought it would be. It's key to pick right starting point. Objective C = harder than Python. #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @notblue Best. Reference. Site. Ever. RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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hgondo:
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@Chronotope cool; thanks #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q4: Ask the reporter: 1. Who is our audience. 2. What needs to they have that we can serve? 3. What, of those, are highest priority? |
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1:54 am
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emilyingram:
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How I learned 99% of what I know re: coding! RT @AnthonyDB: I've yet to meet a programming problem I couldn't solve with Google. #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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Walldo:
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EVERY j-school student should graduate with at least basic HTML knowledge. Anything after that (CSS, php) is a +. Python etc is +++! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q5. #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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Chronotope:
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Hey, I dunno, does HTML count as programming... not that HTML isn't awesome and important, but I never thought of it in that way. #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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greglinch:
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@notblue I disagree. We shouldn't have "translators" as barriers. Why can't we all learn to speak w/ each other clearly & directly? #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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RobinJP:
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. @greglinch .. just starred a bunch of these great programming education tips .. thanks! #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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DawnVanNess:
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@wjchat #wjchat worrying programmers are marginalizing journo skills and journos are marginalizing programmer skills - pretty X substance |
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1:55 am
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Chronotope:
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@emilyingram Yeah, nothing is a better tool for solving programming problems than Google search. #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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thilosavage:
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Q4: You bridge gaps by communication.. the same way you bridge any gap between people. It's not like coders are psycho alien people #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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notblue:
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@lalorek How did you have the time to do that? #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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mattwynn:
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Q4 Put your programmers in the newsroom. Give them nothing to do. Good things will happen. #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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eyeseast:
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Q4 Build apps/projects that bring in best skills of programmers and journalists. Sometimes the best technology is invisible #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q4: Different type of answer: Do a dog-and-pony show on kick-ass news apps for your newsroom. They loved ours: http://bit.ly/Ueu2v |
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1:55 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @greglinch: @notblue I disagree. We shouldnt have "translators" as barriers. Why cant we learn to speak w/ each other directly? #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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gotoPlanB:
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Q4. Hang out with techies in your town. They have awesome ideas, and you'll learn a lot thinking outside of journalism a bit. #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@BrianManzullo Mxd feelings abt Flash, but slowly learning HTML. I grad, Prg req 4 MIN majors, not 4 JOU majors http://digs.by/1RcV #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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arlton:
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RT @webjournalist: LOL! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: Our biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It's old & shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. |
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1:56 am
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NicoleFugere:
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exactly @greglinch i was going to disagree with @notblue also. our journalists are able to communicate with the web team just fine #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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KatieRogers:
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Is anyone compiling a list of the sources people are listing? I'm trying to bookmark but I think I'm missing some. :/ #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@Chronotype HTML and CSS are valid first step, but more markup than prog. Prog means learning to structure thoughts in new way. #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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DSmith_Tucson:
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On the CMS issue - ExpressionEngine! #ee - so cheap it's damn near free, and so flexible you'll lose yr mind #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat Boarding flight for home. If anyone has a question for me, @ me and I'll answer tomorrow morning. |
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1:56 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@onemoreryan Mark Pilgrim's http://diveintohtml5.org/ is fantastic too, for those who want to go to there. #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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vanguardiste:
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@emilyingram Google has been my best friend when it comes to taking on programming tasks. #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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webjournalist:
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Q4: I translated between both crafts when I was Dir. of Dev. Did everything possible to remove the us vs them mentality. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Love this. RT @KelseyProud Q4: We're joining forces (CS/Journos) to build iPhone apps here at Mizzou. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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journatweets:
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RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don't c themselves as programmers.U gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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mattwynn:
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@michelleminkoff Bingo. I don't know diddly about HTML/CSS. It's a weakness, but not a killer. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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Chronotope:
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@KatieRogers You can pull an archive from http://wthashtag.com/Wjchat #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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onyxfish:
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Q4: Defined expectations are crucial. We prioritize tasks so both journalists and coders know what may get left out. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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Walldo:
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@Chronotope HTML might not be considered programming/scripting but it is an important first step. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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rspitzer:
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Thirded. RT @vanguardiste: @emilyingram Google has been my best friend when it comes to taking on programming tasks. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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michsineath:
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RT @wjchat Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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notblue:
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@greglinch You need someone to help translate at first. Otherwise, you end up with a HUGE MESS. @BrianManzullo @NicoleFugere #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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michsineath:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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wjchat:
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Q5 Beyond coding skills, what can journalists and developers learn from each other? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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Chronotope:
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@DSmith_Tucson I've heard a lot of good stuff about it, but I don't want to lay out the cash. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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greglinch:
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@katierogers There will be a full #wjchat archive afterwards and I'm saving tweets with choice insights/tips/resources :) |
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1:57 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q5 Beyond coding skills, what can journalists and developers learn from each other? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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wcochran:
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@brianboyer great comment. The goal is journalism, not code. #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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michsineath:
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"#wjchat is a weekly Twitter chat for web journalists. We talk about all things content, tech, ethics, and business of journ on the web." |
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1:58 am
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NicoleFugere:
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any ?'s you have about programming can be found on google. thats the beauty of the web- video tutorials make it easy to self-teach #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat this is the basic problem, not the journos lacking coding skills but communication skills http://bit.ly/9fwmEG |
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1:58 am
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onemoreryan:
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@MacDivaONA Most definitely - http://diveintohtml5.org/ has a prominent spot in my bookmarks toolbar. #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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strobie:
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Good idea > RT @brianboyer #wjchat Q4: Do a dog-and-pony show on kick-ass news apps for your newsroom. http://bit.ly/Ueu2v |
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1:58 am
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gotoPlanB:
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Learn CMS templating too. Relatively easy syntax but teaches fundamental skills like queries, loops, conditionals. #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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KatieRogers:
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@greglinch Thanks! #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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mattwynn:
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A factor not to be overlooked: http://bit.ly/LJVd #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q4: I do a lot of hands-on work, and ask a lot of questions to people smarter and more experienced than me. :) #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @DawnVanNess: @wjchat #wjchat worrying programmers are marginalizing journo skills and journos are marginalizing programmer skills - pretty X substance |
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1:59 am
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eyeseast:
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Q5 My biggest wish: Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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Chronotope:
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@Walldo Oh, for sure it is absolutely necessary for anyone working on the web to at least know some HTML/CSS #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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dancow:
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Q5. How to tell a story besides plain narrative. developers have to work with discrete data all the time; normal people don't #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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arlton:
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RT @webjournalist: RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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newswithnumbers:
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Q5: Journos are verbal and techies are visual??? Learn how to bridge that gap? #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @NicoleFugere: any ?'s you have about programming can be found on google. thats the beauty of the web- video tutorials make it easy to self-teach #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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notblue:
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@NicoleFugere @BrianManzullo @greglinch I'm talking from experience. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q5: New ways to think about and serve "the people formerly known as the audience. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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yelvington:
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Q5: Mutual respect and love of the social objective, the craft, and the results. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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webjournalist:
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@notblue I was the translator for a good chunk. Made everyone understand how to work together and value each skill set. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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vanguardiste:
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Oops! @webjournalist Q4 Agree. Us v. Them mentality is so toxic. Working in silos just don't work anymore. Walls need to come down. #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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jordanfifer:
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Turns out it's very difficult to watch NCIS and follow the #wjchat at same time. American Idol will be a challenge. |
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1:59 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@mattwynn So that's how I speed this process up! #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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alexschmidt:
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Q5 being absolutely ruthless when it comes to prioritizing time and resources #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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mattwaite:
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#wjchat One other thing before I go. If you're going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn. |
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1:59 am
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Chronotope:
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@mattwynn Lols. Well on that Journos and Programmers both have a reputation :P #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Seconded! RT @eyeseast: Q5 Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications. |
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1:59 am
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mattwynn:
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Q5: What we do. It's not like we need a firgin' Babelfish or anything. We're all smart. Some mroeso than other, but. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @mattwaite: #wjchat If youre going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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DaniBevins:
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Yes! RT @BrianManzullo: People should learn Web coding/dev like they do journalism: By doing it. Throw yourself into the fire. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @webjournalist Q4:Dir. of Dev. Did everything possible to remove the us vs them mentality. #wjchat Hey you stole my words! :D |
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2:00 am
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mattwynn:
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@Chronotope Exactly. Everything starts somewhere. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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greglinch:
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@notblue Of course. There's a difference betw translating until you can reach a good point & having a "translator" in the middle #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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Walldo:
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Q5 Story narratives, news principles (timeliness etc.), how to pinch pennies with such low pay #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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andymboyle:
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The way big projects for online and print journalism have a lot of the same measures. What some call QAing others call editing. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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Jamesco:
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Q5: Exchange ideas. Talk. Find/discuss new ways to do things. Build off each others ideas. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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eyeseast:
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Yup. RT @mattwaite: #wjchat If you're going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn. |
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2:00 am
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kathleensulli:
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me too :) RT @MacDivaONA: Q4: I do a lot of hands-on work, and ask a lot of questions to people smarter and more experienced than me #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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jordanfifer:
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@yelvington Some programmers are not working in this biz bc they like journalism. They're doing it bc they like programming. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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dougcoleman:
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@brianboyer O'Reilly books about HTML/CSS are the best: http://oreilly.com/css-html/ #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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onyxfish:
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#wjchat Yep. RT @eyeseast: Q5 Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q4: Ask the reporter: 1. Who is our audience. 2. What needs to they have that we can serve? 3. What, of those, are highest priority? |
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2:01 am
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notblue:
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@webjournalist Exactly! You need someone there at first. Otherwise, nobody understands each other! and nothing gets done. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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KelseyProud:
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Q5 C's to J's: New ways to think about how to report a story based on what is possible to code J's to C's: How to inject humanity. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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hubertallen:
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Sadly, I've got to check out. Enjoyed the conversation. Thanks! @webjournalist @greglinch #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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bmann:
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RT @yelvington: The trick is to structure your data well, embrace APIs, and hang loose. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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Chronotope:
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Q5: A way to think. Programming mentality, how to break down an issue and how to attack it can be very useful to journos. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q5 How to think, where to search for answers, and how to creatively solve problems. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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Walldo:
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Heading home, not sure if I'll be back before it's over. Thanks for the insights, folks, see you next time. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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lalorek:
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@notblue My editor let me work for our online operations for 2 weeks & I built the paper's first business tech Web site #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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Chronotope:
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@dougcoleman @brianboyer and O'Reilly has some great free webcasts too. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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webjournalist:
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Q5: Approach to tech and sites differently and that's OK! Let's both think of new ways to present tech and stories together. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @eyeseast: Q4 Build apps/projects that bring in best skills of programmers and journalists. Sometimes the best technology is invisible #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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nathanbyrne:
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RT @selfmadepsyche Q5: New ways to think about and serve "the people formerly known as the audience. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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strobie:
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Q5: Journos: I liked @brianboyer's idea to showcase cool apps. Developers: sounds arcane but, Read The Newspaper. Know the content. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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thorstone137:
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Q4 Leadership, understanding the volatile digital market ruled by waves of disruption. Nimble CMS. Common vocab. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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notblue:
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@NicoleFugere When you say "web team"... are they fully fledged programmers? Or technically inclined journos? #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q5 Reach a common ground of understanding, know your role and always inquire with one another. Communication = key #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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NicoleFugere:
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@notblue well fine but thats just one experience #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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anthonydb:
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Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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hgondo:
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Q5: to learn what the other is prioritizing to have a smoother, more effective workflow #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q6. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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kathleensulli:
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I agree, @vanguardiste, the walls do need to come down. And don't be afraid to: Ask questions. Collaborate. Share knowledge. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q5: I think first we need to acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort and that we NEED each other #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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designhawg:
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loads of great information being tossed around on #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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Chronotope:
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Q5: Journos can show programmers a different way to display data and the advantages of a newsroom work environment. #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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notblue:
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@lalorek Ah, OK. Since we only have 2 people on the web team, switching us out is a problem. #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @kathleensulli: I agree, @vanguardiste, the walls do need to come down. And don't be afraid to: Ask questions. Collaborate. Share knowledge. #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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markschaver:
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RT @anthonydb: Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @anthonydb: Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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NicoleFugere:
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@notblue our web team is an objective C programmer, and two PHP developers #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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webjournalist:
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@pekkapekkala Great minds... #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @anthonydb: Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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andymboyle:
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Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #orplaysoccer #dosocialthingstogether |
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2:04 am
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dougcoleman:
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Thanks! ( http://bit.ly/UfqVS ) RT @Chronotope: @dougcoleman @brianboyer and O'Reilly has some great free webcasts too. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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lalorek:
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@journatweets It is. You can teach yourself online. Also helps to go to IRE's NICAR conferences #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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notblue:
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@NicoleFugere Unfortunately, it's an experience that I'm currently in the middle of. It's a bit fresh on my mind. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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Chronotope:
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@anthonydb well said. Programmers could find much useful to learn about narratives from working with journos. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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rspitzer:
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Well played. RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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mattwynn:
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@markschaver I take issue that that's terrible, though. There's an argument for merely making information stupidly simple to find. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #dosocialthingstogether #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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webjournalist:
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@notblue I do think the translation gig should be short term... meaning, we'll evolve into understanding each other better. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @vanguardiste: Q5: I think first we need to acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort and that we NEED each other #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #orplaysoccer #dosocialthingstogether |
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2:05 am
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notblue:
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@NicoleFugere I am so jealous of your web team. Fortunately, our CMS is pretty thorough & I'm good at finding free alternatives. #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kategardiner Exactly! Brainstorming w/the proverbial "box" can water down ideas. Agree that standards are crucial too though! #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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markng:
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RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don't see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether |
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2:05 am
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Chronotope:
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@andymboyle Heh, yeah, that helps. When our big website started up, the team got great ideas when they went for drinks after work. #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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notblue:
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@webjournalist It should last as long as it takes people to understand each other. Some are faster learners than others. #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@mattwynn @markschaver I think there's a place for both making info available, and telling story w/data. Recognize the distinction. #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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hgondo:
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RT@vanguardiste: I think first we need 2 acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort &we NEED each other #wjchat |
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2:05 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether |
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2:06 am
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greglinch:
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Ditto to @andymboyle. Socialize and get to know each other. It will help you better understand each other and work together. #wjchat. |
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2:06 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @webjournalist: Q5: Approach to tech and sites differently and that's OK! Let's both think of new ways to present tech and stories together. #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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msaleem:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, yall are the first to know, were built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq #wjchat (via @katierogers) |
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2:06 am
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andymboyle:
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@DawnVanNess @Chronotope Relaxing environments help you come up with awesome ideas. You also get to bond and become buds. #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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markschaver:
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@mattwynn Maybe so. Doesn't interest me though. (And I'm not saying I haven't just served info without telling a story. Mostly have) #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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jordanfifer:
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@hgondo @vanguardiste You're assuming the goals of both groups are the same. What if 1 group doesn't care about the journalism? #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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wjchat:
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Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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majorh:
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UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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lalorek:
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@dancow I don't think you need formal journalism training but experience & making mistakes & learning from them makes you better #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q5 Value of thinking about information in a structured way, even if you aren't using that structure yet. |
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2:07 am
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alexschmidt:
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hire programmers who care about journalism #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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andymboyle:
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Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I'd find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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rspitzer:
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RT @majorh: UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@andymboyle Very true, I joined a local PHP group & they went drinking & continued discussion. http://digs.by/1Rcv #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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eyeseast:
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Q5: Sometimes I wish we'd think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn't the hard part #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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loritodd:
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RT @andymboyle: Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I'd find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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notblue:
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YES RT @emilymerwin, @vanguardiste We need to acknowledge that producing great jour on the web is a team effort...we NEED each other #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kategardiner @KatieRogers Yes! Transcription to come. We wouldn't leave you hangin' like that. #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q5 Good structure means 6 months from now, you'll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven't thought of yet. |
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2:08 am
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hgondo:
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@jordanfifer good point. then there is obviously a disconnect. and lots of frustration ahead #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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jmsummers:
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Q6: Teaching myself PHP, want to learn Python next. Blame @brianboyer and #ONA09. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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Chronotope:
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@jordanfifer Or what if one group doesn't care about programming? I've met journos who don't think they need to learn any web stuff #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @majorh: UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @eyeseast: Q5: Sometimes I wish we'd think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn't the hard part #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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mattwynn:
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Pretty sure the correct answer to "How can I get to better know ___" is always"Drink with them." #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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Chronotope:
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@onemoreryan That sounds delicious. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Q6:So far, PHP and SQL. Currently obsessed w/Python+Django, and Processing. Frameworks are even more powerful than I imagined #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Q6: basic jscript, php, some python, actionscript, mysql. looking to develop in those areas plus learn framework like django. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat Q6 HTML/CSS and some basic JavaScript/DB skills. The biggest thing: I can understand what the geeks say and design for/with them. |
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2:08 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q6 Learned HTML/CSS in middle school, some PHP/Java last summer (building http://cm-life.com). Still learning PHP, hope Python soon #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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jordanfifer:
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Layout oft more important than content. RT @majorh: If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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KatieRogers:
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Yes yes yes, I know transcripts ... was askin' about a running list. Thx though. @vanguardiste et al #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q6: I've worked with HTML, CSS, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Django and PHP. I'd like to get better with all of them. I need clones. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @onemoreryan: #wjchat Q5 Good structure means 6 months from now, you'll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven't thought of yet. |
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2:09 am
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jordanfifer:
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@Chronotope Touche. I think we've all met a few (or too many) of those people. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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jaosullivanx:
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RT @eyeseast Sometimes I wish we'd think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn't the hard part #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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strobie:
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RT @eyeseast: Q5: Sometimes I wish we'd think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn't the hard part #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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danielbachhuber:
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Wow, it looks like #wjchat has a baller conversation going on. Nicely done. |
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2:09 am
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greglinch:
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Q6: I've developed working knowledge of JavaScript and PHP. Hope to improve those, eventually learn some Python and Django. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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Chronotope:
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@jmsummers I'd love to take the time to learn PHP/SQL more formally, I've picked up so much backwards, working with others' stuff. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Nice job! RT @andymboyle Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I'd find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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mattwynn:
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@onemoreryan Right like the parable of Lawrence J-W's little league baseball and weather apps taught us! #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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notblue:
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Q6 HTML, CSS are easy. I need to get better at JavaScript. Learning a "real" programming language is also on my list. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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andymboyle:
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@strobie And here's another: hometeam.tampabay.com #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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RT @wjchat: Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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erikgable:
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Q6 Updating 10-year-old HTML knowledge, learning a little CSS. Next: MUCH more of same. #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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lalorek:
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@PeoriaPundit Software engs. make more money than journalists. They are valued more by cos. But anyone can code. Anyone can report. #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q7. #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat Q6: HTML 5 looks important. I'll have to learn that and know how it's applied to mobile. No 1. skill 2010- : know your mobile stuff. |
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2:10 am
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rspitzer:
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Q6 know html, css, jscript. being taught mqsql, php, perl, java. thinking about learning python? #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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yelvington:
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. @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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KatieRogers:
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Q6 HTML/CSS. Want to know where the hell to go from here, what's practical if I'm not gonna b a programmer but am still interested. #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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onyxfish:
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Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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Chronotope:
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@greglinch Yeah, Wish I knew more of all of them tho. I've got enough to mod, but not create from scratch :/ #wjchat |
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2:10 am
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mattwynn:
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Q6: Functional but handicapped with PHP, a little better with Django, enough Python to get me in trouble. And how to use jQuery #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Q6: I think it's also fun to play w/diff languages. Lots to learn, and if we apply journ curiosity to prog, we can learn a lot #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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thorstone137:
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Q5 Both need to understand the possibilities of media rich contextual storytelling; how do we move past video, audio, and text. #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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newswithnumbers:
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maybe a better Q for the techs here are what technologies to avoid learning as they're on the way out? #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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alexschmidt:
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@notblue wonder if programmers quake that content creators are wrenching control away from their smug little all-knowing paws ;) #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q6: Since getting into journalism, I've learned lots about GIS and data visualization. Also, Python and Django. |
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2:11 am
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notblue:
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RT @onemoreryan #wjchat Good structure=6 mos from now, you'll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven't thought of yet |
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2:11 am
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KatieRogers:
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@onyxfish good advice. :) #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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rspitzer:
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YES. RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks) #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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kegill:
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RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat | sad but true |
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2:11 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@KatieRogers PHP is good to learn, I've had to look at it quite a bit when developing our site. #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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Chronotope:
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@yelvington You'd think so, but I've met j-professors who are teaching students to think that way. #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @yelvington: . @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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vanguardiste:
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@JordanFifer Then they shouldn't be working in journ. Sorry that's harsh, but I think you should care about your work + its quality #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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Have also done some API work, mostly with Google Maps, Twitter. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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mattwynn:
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Q6: Want to keep pushing on Django. Still grasping basic concepts like template inheritance. Want to learn server admin, too #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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Chronotope:
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@pekkapekkala So much to learn w/HTML5. I don't know where I'll find the time. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@katierogers You may want to consider Javascript. I'm doing some of that now, provides interactivity for webpages, but not hardcore. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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KelseyProud:
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Q6 HTML/CSS basics, working on as much else as possible. Also, like @jmsummers, inspired by @brianboyer and #ONA09 #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat I don't think you can make a list of skills. It's more important to know what you want to do and find the skills to do it. |
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2:12 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks) #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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darthcheeta:
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common thread in #wjchat is journalists as taxomomy. still and video photographers, designers, writers, coders - we are ALL journalists. |
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2:12 am
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notblue:
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YES YES YES RT @rspitzer: YES. RT @onyxfish: Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@katierogers But PHP is also a good logical next step. Too many options!!! #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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eyeseast:
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Q6 Python and Django are my weapons of choice. Learning more javascript, looking at possibilities of node.js #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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yelvington:
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Q6. Future: HTML5; big shift in UI coming. Past: Not a skill, but understanding that Web is fundamentally social. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @thorstone137: Q5 Both need to understand the possibilities of media rich contextual storytelling; how do we move past video, audio, and text. #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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anthonydb:
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SQL and C# and .NET b/c we're Microsoft-centric, and I learned a lot of CSS/HTML thanks to WordPress. Now learning Python/Django #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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Chronotope:
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@michelleminkoff Javascript can be so useful, but as a language it irritates the hell out of me. #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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brianboyer:
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RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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lalorek:
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@Yobachi I took a class & learned on the job. But you can google basic coding for tutorials or watch them on Youtube.com #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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pekkapekkala:
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@andymboyle damn I miss Painobaari already. We have a pub downstairs in downtown Helsinki, that's hard to beat. And an awesome feat. #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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greglinch:
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@mattwynn jQuery is on my shortlist after I get a little further with JavaScript. From all I've seen and read, it looks great. #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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jordanfifer:
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@vanguardiste Some progrmrs are not working in journalism, merely working at an journalistic org. They also do advertising, for ex. #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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webjournalist:
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Q6: Personally, I know the roll out will take a while, but I want to learn more about HTML 5. #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q6 I'd like to be less hackish with javascript. (I'd like to be less hackish w/ a lot of things, but that's No. 1) And server admin. |
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2:13 am
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vanguardiste:
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@JordanFifer A compelling, fair + accurate story is a reflection on the whole team. That should be the goal?whatever your role is #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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KelseyProud:
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Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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YES! "more important to know what you want to do and find the skills to do it." (via @mckennaewen) #wjchat |
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2:13 am
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madshrew:
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@wjchat I know css and html. Would like to delve into into some more advanced stuff sometime. #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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eyeseast:
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Q6 Not a coding skill, but one I need: Sales. As in, selling people on an idea and getting buy in early. I'm bad at that. #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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alexschmidt:
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'swhat i'm talkin bout @mckennaewen #wjchat don't think u can make list of skills. more important 2 know what u want & find relevant skills |
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2:14 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q6: Still want more proficiency with Django, which is hard because I'm mostly a normal print reporter. #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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wjchat:
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Q7 @journatweet asks: I wasn't taught coding/progrming in school, now I'm a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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DawnVanNess:
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#wjchat buzz words for today: CSS/HTML/Python?Django? ... I feel like I'm drowning in an alphabet soup and here comes the circus... |
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2:14 am
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brianjesse:
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the php hackers on #wjchat are all embarrassed and will learn django soon. Don't sweat it php is cool too |
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2:14 am
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notblue:
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@alexschmidt Nah, I don't think so. It's only when you start reporting bugs that they get annoyed. ;) (I'm queen of bug-finding.) #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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patrickbeeson:
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@KelseyProud We are starting to do this at Scripps. #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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alixbryan:
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Good Q. RT @KelseyProud Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@KelseyProud I'd like to learn how before graduating in May, would like to develop an app for @CMLIFE. Too busy right now though #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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mattwynn:
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@eyeseast Try thinking of it as "evangelism." It's about personality more than what you have to say. #wjchat |
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2:14 am
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Alec_Wasserman:
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@adamhousley @gretawire RT @KelseyProud: Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Agree w/ @eyeseast. Programming is the *easy* part. Design, UX/IA, the *journalism*, those are the hard stuff. |
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2:15 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@KelseyProud I took an Obj C course in the spring. Was tougher than I first thought, but rewarding. Makes Python seem easier. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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gotoPlanB:
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Q6. Wish I had time to convert to R for statistics, and RPy and NodeBox for visualizations. Not really what my current job demands. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q7 @journatweet asks: I wasn't taught coding/progrming in school, now I'm a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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greglinch:
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@Chronotope Don't want to jump ahead, but I've dipped my toes into http://diveintohtml5.org -- I know @eyeseast has used it #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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JesseFolk:
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these #wjchat tweets are beyond annoying. chat rooms were invented for a reason, USE THEM. |
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2:15 am
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onemoreryan:
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@greglinch jQuery is awesome. Makes even me feel like I can trick out apps with js. The CSS-like syntax is the key. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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Chronotope:
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@brianjesse I dunno, as much of a fan as I am of Python and everything it can do, do you really think it will replace PHP soon? #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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madshrew:
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@selfmadepsyche @mckennaewen That's an excellent point. I want to use web work supplement my visual stories. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q7 Learn coding as soon as possible. It increases your understanding of how the Web works, period #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Quick break from #wjchat to see #Mizzou up 11-3 on Texas. |
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2:15 am
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jordanfifer:
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Q7 @journatweet In a word, yes. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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jmsummers:
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Q7: You'll learn more coding/programming hands-on than you'll ever learn in classroom. Talk to knowledgeable folks in your newsroom. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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eyeseast:
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Me too. RT @onemoreryan: #wjchat Q6 I'd like to be less hackish with javascript (and lots of other things). And server admin. |
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2:15 am
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Chronotope:
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@greglinch Thanks! #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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webjournalist:
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@hubertallen Thanks for joining us! #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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ACrimaldi:
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@KelseyProud What is #wjchat? |
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2:16 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat | sad but true |
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2:16 am
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Chronotope:
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@brianboyer I have to disagree. As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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jordanfifer:
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Q7 @journatweet But do you need to learn python, java, etc? No. Start out with HTML. Try CSS. #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Q7: My big mistake w/coding was waiting too long to dive in, hoping for a class in it. Not a classroom thing. Just do it! #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q7: I was a dumb kid who went to a state school and spent two years as a music major. Proof that most can learn to code. #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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KatieRogers:
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Q7 Was introduced in my last quarter of school, would've loved mroe time w/ it, but I have a feeling it's better learned on the job. #wjchat |
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2:16 am
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notblue:
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Q7 A basic understanding of HTML & CSS & a bookmark for http://w3schools.com should suffice. :) @journatweet #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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newswithnumbers:
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if python ain'tyour thing, there are frameworks for PHP http://bit.ly/4u9S3 #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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jordanfifer:
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Agreed. RT @Chronotope: @brianboyer As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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KelseyProud:
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Q7: Learn from someone directly in your newsroom for specific skills, buy a book/software/online tutorial membership for reference. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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patrickbeeson:
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@jordanfifer Q7 Start with understanding opportunity. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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heycori:
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RT @jordanfifer: Agreed. RT @Chronotope: @brianboyer As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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greglinch:
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@mattwynn Haha. I'm glad I've never had to touch Caspio. Access was enough silliness. Learning some MySQL with PHP has been fun. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Also, think of it as an extension to your skills. You can build new online tools, not just videos/words. #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Eesh. I think #wjchat has overloaded my Twitter client. :P |
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2:17 am
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wjchat:
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@ACrimaldi #wjchat It's a new weekly Twitter chat for Web journalists. Tonight's topic has been journos + code. |
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2:18 am
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mattwynn:
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Took a computer science course in school. For about 3.5 hours, then dropped. Much easier to learn by doing. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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notblue:
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@JesseFolk I'm assuming you haven't seen the #journchat thing? #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @andymboyle Q7 I was a dumb kid who went to state school and spent two years as a music major. Proof that most can learn to code. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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Chronotope:
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@notblue Though I'd say, the more HTML you know the better. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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rspitzer:
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Oh boy, I've been totally distracted by #wjchat and should really be working on my SQL problem set, go figure. Over and out. |
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2:18 am
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JoanJHuang:
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Q6: Have dabbled with HTML,CSS, Javascript,Ruby on Rails,SQL,and Lingo. Yes Lingo. Working w Stata now. Eye on Processing and AS. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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gotoPlanB:
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@wjchat Q7. I think jQuery is a great place to start. Powerful and builds the UI to tell stories. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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designhawg:
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#wjchat Agree to a degree. w/ @eyeseast. Design, UX/IA?piece of cake. Programming and good journalism are the hard parts. |
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2:18 am
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eyeseast:
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Q7: I know very few news coders who majored in CompSci. And what was hot when I was in school is old now #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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newswithnumbers:
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good programming books are cookbooks... learn by practical examples. #wjchat |
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2:18 am
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mattwynn:
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RT @newswithnumbers: if python aintyour thing, there are frameworks for PHP http://bit.ly/4u9S3 <- And @marckschaver is a pro! #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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wcochran:
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#wjchat sql is the base skill. The query's the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer. |
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2:19 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @kategardiner: RT @brianboyer @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies google free open source reusable frameworks) #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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andymboyle:
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A project I'm working on now is an idea I've had for a long time. Just come up with an idea and learn how to make it. #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @kategardiner: I find it's better for me to get ideas out to programmer so I can have new ones while (s)he's executing old one. #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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majorh:
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If anyone wants to try HTML5, just use the HTML5.js enabling script for IE. http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/ #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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andymboyle:
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EVEN IF IT IS DUMB you will still learn a lot in the process. Each project makes your brain better. #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Agree w/ @eyeseast. Programming is the *easy* part. Design, UX/IA, the *journalism*, those are the hard stuff. |
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2:19 am
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michelleminkoff:
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RT @wcochran: #wjchat sql is the base skill. The querys the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer. #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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notblue:
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@Chronotope Well, yes. But W3Schools is really good at filling in the gaps. The more you reference it, the more you'll remember. :) #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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KelseyProud:
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@eyeseast Right. Are people (journs) afraid to start learning code because the industry coding standards change so fast? #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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brianboyer:
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@chronotope @jordanfifer Of course. Not disparaging the craft of software. But your code is useless w/o a good user experience. #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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lkmi:
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"Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer." - that's true for journalism AND code! #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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alixbryan:
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@jmsummers per Q7. Yea, in my j-school we are mostly steered to online tutorials that have been mentioned here #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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Chronotope:
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@designhawg Gah... all these things are equal. Building a beautiful design is as much of an art as elegant code or good journalism. #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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dblanchard:
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Q7: you should at least understand html. And if you really want to add some meat to your stories, learn SQL and play with some data. #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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MacDivaONA:
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@Chronotope Another good HTML5 resource: http://html5doctor.com/ #wjchat |
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2:20 am
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RobinJP:
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Such fun, but have to bounce.. great conversation. Thanks! great week 2. @webjournalist @greglinch #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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mattwynn:
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Pretty sure I can name the 5 of you that aren't in #wjchat right now. |
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2:21 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @lkmi: "Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer." - thats true for journalism AND code! #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat All journalists should learn the basics of SQL so they can do CAR. It opens up doors. #wjchat #likeajobinmycase |
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2:21 am
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anthonydb:
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Q7. Pick one language and dig in ... understand the concepts that translate to all languages. #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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Chronotope:
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@MacDivaONA Excellent, thanks! I've been keeping my out for a good resource. #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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KelseyProud:
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@Chronotope And when elegant code, great Web design and good journalism combine... AND reach an audience = magic :) #cornybuttrue? #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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gotoPlanB:
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A Gentle Introduction to SQL is pretty awesome. http://sqlzoo.net/ #wjchat |
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2:21 am
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alixbryan:
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@andymboyle yea, each simple coding thing i try seems so much easier the 2nd time, 3rd time, etc. stretches the brain #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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darthcheeta:
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comp sci develops languages and pushes technology, pro communicators put those languages to practical uses, like journalism. #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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DawnVanNess:
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life truth! @lkmi: "Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer." - thats true for journalism AND code! #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @pekkapekkala @journatweet Start a Wordpress blog or your own fun site and learn with it. Best way to learn, free to FAIL. :D #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@pekkapekkala That's one reason how I learned: http://brianmanzullo.com. Nothing special, but learned quite a bit anyway #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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eyeseast:
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@KelseyProud I think most people are afraid because it's hard. And it seems harder than it is. Coding requires different thinking #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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andymboyle:
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@mattwynn They're probably, like, watching The Olympics. Or reading. Or drinking. #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @andymboyle: EVEN IF IT IS DUMB you will still learn a lot in the process. Each project makes your brain better. #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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A_L:
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This is why i'm building Homer http://j.mp/bM5bIQ RT @kleinmatic people trying to code against their CMS are making a big mistake #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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majorh:
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RT @brianboyer ... Not disparaging the craft of software. But your code is useless w/o a good user experience. #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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hgondo:
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RT @journatweet Start a Wordpress blog or your own fun site and learn with it. Best way to learn, free to FAIL. :D #wjchat |
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2:22 am
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KatieRogers:
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@andymboyle SQL made my brain hurt, but when a query brought back an answer it was like I'd mastered Latin. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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wjchat:
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REMINDER: We are aiming to have a 90-minute chat, which means we're ending in about 20 minutes or so. One final Q coming up. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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alixbryan:
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True for most of life, actually @Chronotope RT @lkmi: "Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer." #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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onyxfish:
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Q7: Journos being able to intuit the poss. and limitations of data is much more important than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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darthcheeta:
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RT @michelleminkoff: RT @wcochran: #wjchat sql is the base skill. The querys the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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mattwynn:
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Jesus I'm learning about some cool resources just following the stream here. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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Chronotope:
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@KelseyProud Exactly. All are weak separately, but design+programming+content = the aim of the game. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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newswithnumbers:
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where do ya'll play with SQL? In my case, linux box at home, but wonder if others vary? #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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greglinch:
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@andymboyle I once took an intro SPJ session on SQL in 2007 and it was like Klingon. Starting learning some a few months ago = cake. #wjchat |
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2:23 am
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emilyingram:
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Amen RT @pekkapekkala #wjchat Q7 @journatweet Start a Wordpress blog ASAP and learn with it. One of the best ways to learn, free to FAIL. :D |
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2:24 am
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onyxfish:
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Q7 cont. Which is by way of saying journalists should learn data mashing (sql, r, etc) and leave the for loops for us. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@KatieRogers @andymboyle It's a pity there are reporters who don't even know the possibilities SQL opens up. Missing out bigtime. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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webjournalist:
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Q7: Level of coding depends on so many variables. But in general, a reporter/photog/videog doesn't need to know more than HTML/CSS #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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pekkapekkala:
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#wjchat @journatweet Start a Wordpress blog or your own fun site ASAP and learn with it. One of the best ways to learn, free to FAIL. :D |
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2:24 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Can you elaborate? RT @eyeseast Most people are afraid because it's hard/seems harder than it is. Coding requires different thinking #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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mattwynn:
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@greglinch Ha. I think that's a universal truism. First time you try, expect failure. Then try again. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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andymboyle:
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@KatieRogers Wait until you join two tables and find something awesome. Like felons hunting with guns. Such as http://bit.ly/9nSJtA #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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CmsSage:
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RT @yelvington: But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q7 I was a lit major in college, then writer. No one should feel like they can't pick up these skills. Only limitation is interest. |
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2:24 am
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journatweets:
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For journos who want to learn code-- #wjchat participants encourage learning HTML and CSS first. Also, jQuery, SQL #journalism #programming |
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2:24 am
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madshrew:
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@wjchat Been bookmarking some of the resources shared here. I appreciate them. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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KelseyProud:
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@emilyingram @pekkapekkala @journatweet I also am developing a "coding sandbox" portion of my own site to play with and share. #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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brianjesse:
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journos: prog frameworks with the ActiveRecord pattern can help u avoid learning SQL #wjchat lang less impt |
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2:25 am
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webjournalist:
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Q7b: Web journos -- Web editors/producers -- need to master HTML/CSS and know/understand programming language, but not master them. #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @Chronotope: @KelseyProud Exactly. All are weak separately, but design+programming+content = the aim of the game. #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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thorstone137:
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Q7 Classic web design = "Save the pixel". Simplicity rules. SQL is a major foundation of the web. PHP, HTML, CSS, FLASH #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@newswithnumbers I use this a lot: SQLite firefox extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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brianboyer:
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RT @onyxfish: Q7: Journos being able to intuit the poss. and limitations of data is much more important than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q8 - final question. #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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mattwynn:
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@brianjesse Sure, but SQL is SO easy... and sets base expectations for coding. #wjchat |
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2:25 am
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KatieRogers:
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@andymboyle excellent! that's reason enough to keep learning. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7b: Web journos -- Web editors/producers -- need to master HTML/CSS and know/understand programming language, but not master them. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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andymboyle:
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@journatweets There is hope for everyone! The best part is you can't really break anything by trying to program. So just code! #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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@hgondo Bingo! I was wondering if anyone was going to mention WP. If I know -anything- about HTML, mySQL, or PHP, it's due to WP. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so they're no longer scared of it. |
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2:26 am
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KelseyProud:
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@brianboyer Right. Instead of just "news judgment" it's "data judgement." #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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kathleensulli:
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RT @Chronotope: @designhawg Building a beautiful design is as much of an art as elegant code or good journalism. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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Chronotope:
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Q7 Make sure you remember to save clicks as well. Minimize your navigation. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:26 am
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michelleminkoff:
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YES! RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so theyre no longer scared of it. #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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greglinch:
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@onemoreryan Yeah. Plus cross-browser support without writing mountainous conditionals/checks, right? #wjchat |
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2:26 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@webjournalist Exactly. Don't need to know every in and out of coding, only enough to carry out effective Web journalism #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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kleinmatic:
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RT @onyxfish: Q7: Journos able to intuit the poss. and limits of data is much more impt than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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kathleensulli:
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RT @anthonydb: Q7. Pick one language and dig in ... understand the concepts that translate to all languages. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so theyre no longer scared of it. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please dont learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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darthcheeta:
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#wjchat Q7 1st: basic html/css, 2nd sql/scripting lang (mysql/php/cfusion/asp), 3rd framework and oo language like ruby or django/python |
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2:27 am
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Chronotope:
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@BreannaGaddie @hgondo Yes, having to back-hack through something like Wordpress is an excellent way to learn PHP, HTML and CSS. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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webjournalist:
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Nice. RT @albertsun: Q7: Journalists don't need to learn how to code. Just need to learn enough about code that it isn't magic. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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vanguardiste:
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Noted to self! LOL! RT @brianboyer #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:27 am
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newswithnumbers:
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@michelleminkoff actually, all the mozilla dev tools are good to get. Helps to see stuff in action. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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yelvington:
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Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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2:27 am
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eyeseast:
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+1 RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:27 am
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Chronotope:
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@onemoreryan I've wanted to learn more about jQuery, what is a good resource? #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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schwanksta:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:28 am
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mattwynn:
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If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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KelseyProud:
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Absolutely. Same with journalism :) RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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hgondo:
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@Chronotope @BreannaGaddie I just signed up for my first WP programming sandbox! #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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schwanksta:
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...or at least fancy JS and CSS #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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wjchat:
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Q8 (Final Q) Where/What are good general resources for learning about the most important programming skills/language? #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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stevesuo:
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#wjchat I wish I'd learned perl or php years ago. Wouldn't have wasted so much time cleaning campaign finance dbs in Access. |
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2:28 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @mattwynn: If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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jmsummers:
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RT @schwanksta @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please dont learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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JoanJHuang:
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@newswithnumbers I play with SQL mostly in ArcGIS. It has a GUI for queries, but also allows for entering syntax manually. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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kleinmatic:
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Um... but we also need really good coders, folks. That too. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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greglinch:
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I'll add my hat to the @WordPress lovers crowd. Great platform to learn, build your skills and put them into action. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q8 (Final Q) Where/What are good general resources for learning about the most important programming skills/language? #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @darthcheeta: #wjchat Q7 1st: basic html/css, 2nd sql/scripting lang (mysql/php/cfusion/asp), 3rd framework and oo language like ruby or django/python |
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2:29 am
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mattwynn:
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@Chronotope this was how I first experienced the coolness of jQuery. good tutorial. http://tablesorter.com/docs/ #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Heartily seconded! RT @mattwynn: If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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anthonydb:
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RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q7 Agree with those saying start with SQL. Learning to break information into its elements makes *all* these skills easier to learn. |
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2:29 am
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Chronotope:
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@yelvington A good reason to learn to think like a programmer + journalist. Translates into future. Always be learning and reading. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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KatieRogers:
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So many resources, and now Flex? @mattwynn. Head is spinning. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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vanguardiste:
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Ready to take notes for Q8! Unleash the flood gates! #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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wjchat:
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Q8 @katierogers also asks: What are some great resources for self-teaching, esp. if we've got limited free time? Books, sites, etc? #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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KelseyProud:
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@mattwynn Intrigued. Will definitely delve into Flex. I want pretty but also smart/searchable/etc etc. #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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NicoleFugere:
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Q7 utfs as we like to say around the office #wjchat |
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2:29 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @greglinch: Ill add my hat to the @WordPress lovers crowd. Great platform to learn, build your skills and put them into action. #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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journatweets:
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Thanks for answering my question, guys! Great advice that will be helpful to all other non-programmer journos ! :) #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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onemoreryan:
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+11! RT @eyeseast +1 RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:30 am
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dblanchard:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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NicoleFugere:
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*Q8 #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q8 I used http://lynda.com and http://w3schools.com. The former isn't free, but video training is REAL helpful. #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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kleinmatic:
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All this Perl talk is making me nostalgic. #wjchat |
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2:30 am
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eyeseast:
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Well, I was prepared for Q8 Required reading for learning Django http://bit.ly/bOCBoL #wjchat Also, prereqs http://bit.ly/d6w5UA |
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2:30 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Learn the web from the web, as @palewire once told me. Books are nice, but the Internet changes fast. #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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mattwynn:
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Q8: I like djangobook a lot, but I think I needed a solid background in SQL/CAR to make it seem possible. #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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greglinch:
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Q8 resources: W3 Schools, Google, StackOverflow, SitePoint books/ebooks (I went crazy and bought a lot during Dec sale). #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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notblue:
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Q8 http://w3schools.com - can't emphasize it enough. http://webmonkey.com used to be pretty good. Google, of course. #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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KelseyProud:
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ZOMG all of these resources from some of the best minds in WJ. Magnifico. #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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KatieRogers:
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Love how Flash is now considered horrible. Spent 3 months learning it over the summer in school. This stuff moves so fast. #wjchat |
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2:31 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Learn the web from the web, as @palewire once told me. Books are nice, but the Internet changes fast. #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @KatieRogers: Love how Flash is now considered horrible. Spent 3 months learning it over the summer in school. This stuff moves so fast. #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat To expand on that sentiment: Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc. |
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2:32 am
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markng:
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@mattwynn seems like we need to make it easier for non-CAR journalists to use django as a first step platform for working with data. #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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newswithnumbers:
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Q8 for those who are doing more than tinkering... ECLIPSE is good to have. http://www.eclipse.org/ #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat One of the best things I did was go to that horrible school Mizzou and take a week long NICAR bootcamp in CAR. DO IT #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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lkmi:
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@KatieRogers Flash still has value. Like other progs - use it if it's the right tool to tell the story. #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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jordanfifer:
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@greglinch @webjournalist @wjchat Thanks for this - my first one but I'll definitely be back. #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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emmacarew:
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wow looks like I missed a really good #wjchat tonight - great topics @greglinch |
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2:32 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat It's almost always over Christmas break, so students can find time to go. Not incredibly expensive, either #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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Chronotope:
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Q8 O'Reilly books and webinars deserve mention again. Ask questions, follow the right Tweeps. Search like crazy. Find the rt people #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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newswithnumbers:
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ECLIPSE is multi language Dev Environment PHP, PERL Java, javascript, etc #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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onyxfish:
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@KatieRogers Its not the reality thats changed, just the specific use case. Its great for some things, but a bad place to start/ #wjchat |
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2:32 am
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JaimiDowdell:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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2:32 am
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The_Dean:
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Q8 http://webmonkey.com has some good (free) info, depending on the topic #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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@KatieRogers Flash is still good for certain projects. See NYTimes interactives. But not good for *everything*. #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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ethanklapper:
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Ditto. Hope to make next week's! RT @emmacarew: wow looks like I missed a really good #wjchat tonight - great topics @greglinch |
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2:33 am
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anthonydb:
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Ask people to share code with you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand "how they did it." #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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emilymerwin:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat To expand on that sentiment: Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc. |
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2:33 am
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KelseyProud:
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@andymboyle M-I-Z..... #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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webjournalist:
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Q8: I agree with @greglinch. I can't tell you how AWESOME W3 Schools is... Interactive and free. Check 'em out! #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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majorh:
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Q8 resources: http://www.smashingmagazine.com, http://www.alistapart.com, http://www.uxbooth.com #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @lkmi: @KatieRogers Flash still has value. Like other progs - use it if it's the right tool to tell the story. #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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andymboyle:
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@KatieRogers It wasn't a horrible waste of time. You learned something. You can now apply your learning when learning a new language #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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darthcheeta:
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it is very popular to hate on flash right now, but it still is insanely powerful for many, many things #wjchat - and it drives ads |
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2:33 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Its almost always over Christmas break, so students can find time to go. Not incredibly expensive, either #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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Chronotope:
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@KatieRogers I don't think Flash is horrible. It has its uses. The iPhone is not the end-all of the web. People still use computers. #wjchat |
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2:33 am
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emilyingram:
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Let it be known that @andymboyle managed to get in BOTH a diss at Mizzou and a mention of drinking during #wjchat. Solid effort. |
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2:33 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@katierogers Flash is good for specific things, but building entire projects+sites in them can be limiting+overdone, IMO. #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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andymboyle:
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@KelseyProud Shut-Up-U #wjchat #Nebraskaisbetterthanyourschool |
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2:34 am
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Chronotope:
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Yes @majorh Don't forget Smashing Magazine! #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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andymboyle:
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RT @emilyingram: Let it be known that @andymboyle managed to get in BOTH a diss at Mizzou and a mention of drinking during #wjchat. Solid effort. |
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2:34 am
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drewvigal:
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RT @yelvington: Website management is not the same problem as newsroom workflow management. Must be distinct + interop. #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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webjournalist:
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View source! RT @anthonydb: Ask people to share code w/ you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand "how they did it." #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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bbolton:
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RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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michelleminkoff:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc. #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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thorstone137:
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RT @majorh: Q8 resources: http://www.smashingmagazine.com, http://www.alistapart.com, http://www.uxbooth.com #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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The_Dean:
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Q8 Your local library has a lot of good books for the ever-changing programing environment. #wjchat |
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2:34 am
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andymboyle:
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@emilyingram My college done taught me right. #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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IsadoraVail:
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#wjchat |
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2:35 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Q8 Pragmatic Programmers is offering 40% off its books at http://pragprog.com/ DM me your email & I'll send you the link. #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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emilyingram:
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RT @webjournalist: View source! RT @anthonydb: Ask people to share code w/ you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand "how they did it." #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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webjournalist:
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@JordanFifer Glad you made it and enjoyed it! #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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greglinch:
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You can't completely write anything off, like some do with Flash, but there has been a lot of push back after years of hype. #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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newswithnumbers:
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Q8 some libraries do online check out like safarionline.com #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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KelseyProud:
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@emilyingram @andymboyle... "Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't weeeeee be friends?" #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Never be afraid to just e-mail someone and ask a question. It's what I did. Led to some great mentoring. #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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notblue:
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@The_Dean Webmonkey was my favorite tech site when I was in HS. I'm still unsure as to how useful the new version is. #wjchat |
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2:35 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Agree w/people saying view source. Hang out on GitHub. Look at code for projects. People willing to answer qs. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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onyxfish:
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Q8: Regarding resources, it is much more effective to get tailored advice from a hacker than go to random sites. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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brianboyer:
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@darthcheeta Definitely. Flash is integral to the modern web. But for a beginner, it's a shiny distraction. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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elephantsgerald:
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This was My text for HS web design class. GOne now. RT @notblue: can't emphasize it enough. Webmonkey used to be pretty good. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat If someone does something cool, especially in the data nerd world, usually they will explain it. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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onemoreryan:
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@eyeseast Totally agree. Coming at Django from non-programming background, it's easier for me to explain things to non-programmers. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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KelseyProud:
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YES. RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Never be afraid to just e-mail someone and ask a question. Its what I did. Led to some great mentoring. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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greglinch:
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Safari Books (not related to the browser) has been recommended to me, but I haven't used it. It has books and Lynda-style videos. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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darthcheeta:
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#wjchat flash haters should try to build a object oriented casual/serious game -- flash is not just multimedia, AS3 can make engines |
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2:36 am
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tishgrier:
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RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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newswithnumbers:
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mozilla tools lets you view generated source... very valuable for dynamic pages #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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killbutton:
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Well, guess I'm going to have to read the transcript. #wjchat just prompted a long convo in the #mditv office b/w journ & tech. Wunderbar! |
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2:37 am
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KatieRogers:
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Q8 Thx for Flash thoughts guys ... where can I look to learn about building widgets? #wjchat |
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2:37 am
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BrianManzullo:
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I think there's a use for Flash, but not as essential for journos to learn as other things (i.e. HTML/CSS) #wjchat |
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2:37 am
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vanguardiste:
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Um I think it's called Big 12 Football ;- ) @KelseyProud @emilyingram @andymboyle #wjchat |
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2:37 am
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notblue:
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@elephantsgerald Have you seen the new version? They turned it into a wiki... I think some of the tutorials are still on there. #wjchat |
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2:38 am
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emilyingram:
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The realm of hacker-journalists is a small one. Most all seem to want more in their ranks. Ask, and most are happy to share advice. #wjchat |
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2:38 am
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loritodd:
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Was great hearing from so many journalist-coders at tonight's chat. Look forward to the next! #wjchat |
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2:38 am
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KelseyProud:
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@vanguardiste @emilyingram @andymboyle :D #wjchat |
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2:38 am
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webjournalist:
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Agreed RT @BrianManzullo: I think there's a use for Flash, but not as essential for journos to learn as other things (i.e. HTML/CSS) #wjchat |
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2:39 am
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darthcheeta:
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@brianboyer #wjchat and the shiny distraction is the danger for the newbie - like tacky powerpoints - not flash's fault. but crashing is! |
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2:39 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat Q8: It might bore the beginners, but we're blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ |
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2:39 am
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ninamehta:
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If the UX and IA design are a piece of cake, it might be time for more user research. @designhawg #wjchat |
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2:39 am
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Chronotope:
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Pick up Firebug plugin for Firefox or Chrome. Great at letting you see HTML+CSS source together and letting you play with it. #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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wjchat:
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Thanks for joining the second episode of #wjchat. Please send us Qs, suggested topics, nominate moderators and general feedback. |
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2:40 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @ninamehta: If the UX and IA design are a piece of cake, it might be time for more user research. @designhawg #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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andymboyle:
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@darlacameron I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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onyxfish:
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RT @brianboyer: Were blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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wjchat:
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Next week's #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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2:40 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat later everyone. jquery & SQL up for investigation :) thx for the good convo |
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2:40 am
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greglinch:
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Besides @SmashingMag, 37Signals and the like, what are other blogs/sites (non-ful tutorial-style) are must-reads? #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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onemoreryan:
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#wjchat Q8 For jQuery, great beginner start at http://www.learningjquery.com/. Then keep http://jqapi.com/ in your pocket. |
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2:40 am
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KatieRogers:
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RT @onyxfish: RT @brianboyer: Were blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ #wjchat |
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2:40 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Next week's #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru & author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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2:40 am
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hgondo:
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Tonight was great! Thanks @wjchat @greglinch #wjchat |
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2:41 am
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KelseyProud:
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Though most are generous with their time and knowledge, please don't be stingy about supplying help to noobs who need advice. #wjchat |
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2:41 am
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newswithnumbers:
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@Chronotope yea, firebug... agree. #wjchat |
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2:41 am
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KelseyProud:
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YAYRT @wjchat: Next weeks #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - MM guru & author of the new Digital Journalists Handbook. #wjchat |
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2:41 am
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thorstone137:
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Q8 Another great resource for graphics to web development, audio to video Tutplus.com http://tinyurl.com/yk4kp2t #wjchat |
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2:41 am
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jrue:
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#wjchat What about Flash CS5? You'll be able to use it to build native iPhone/iPad apps without Objective C. http://bit.ly/69Vxs |
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2:41 am
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mckennaewen:
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Buy his book! RT @wjchat Next week's #wjchat moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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2:41 am
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eyeseast:
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My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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greglinch:
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@katierogers I've been favoriting tweets on the fly and will later save the best in a @Publish2 newsgroup. #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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Chronotope:
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A List Apart is another good blog to look at. #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Great chat! Nice talking with all of you! See you next week, or in #journchat on Monday. #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Thanks to new followers from tonight's #wjchat. Great discussion and sharing of info/ideas. |
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2:42 am
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andymboyle:
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@KelseyProud We were all once n00bz and not l33t. @jeremybowers would say I'm still a n00b. But we're here to help #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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onemoreryan:
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@greglinch Yes! Cross-browser support is a crucial part of staying sane. At least you only have to debug CSS. #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @hgondo: Tonight was great! Thanks @wjchat @greglinch [Agreed!] #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@greglinch flowingdata.com for data viz, snd.org for coding behind design #wjchat |
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2:42 am
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jameswilkerson:
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#wjchat This subject is interesting, the posts are great,but I'm really unimpressed with twitter as a forum with this many people involved. |
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2:42 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat It's been fun. I'm out. All: Please feel free to shoot me any questions, and hope to see everyone at NICAR! |
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2:43 am
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newswithnumbers:
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I'm out, was fun and useful! #wjchat |
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2:43 am
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webjournalist:
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Thank you guys so much for joining us and making episode 2 of #wjchat another success! |
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2:43 am
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brianboyer:
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What he said. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat |
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2:43 am
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darthcheeta:
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i hate that you can't save out of firebug. #wjchat we need a browser based coding environment that really works |
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2:43 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Also, you will find the large majority of us on gchat, usually with e-mail names...similar to our twitter accounts. #wjchat #askus |
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2:43 am
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KelseyProud:
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The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat |
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2:43 am
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vanguardiste:
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Fabulous time discussing, debating and LEARNING from you all. Really. Y'all made my night! #wjchat |
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2:43 am
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hgondo:
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RT @nathanbyrne: Thanks to new followers from tonight's #wjchat. Great discussion and sharing of info/ideas. |
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2:44 am
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Chronotope:
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RT @brianboyer: What he said. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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onemoreryan:
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#demosnotmemos @eyeseast My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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greglinch:
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Thanks to everyone in tonight's #wjchat! It's been a pleasure to be your guest moderator. Next week, it'll be @10000words (Mark Luckie). |
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2:44 am
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KelseyProud:
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@webjournalist Thanks so much for another great chat! I love this part of my week :) And thanks to everyone here! Let's connect! #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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selfmadepsyche:
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#wjchat is over, no more fast + furious posting tonight. |
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2:44 am
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andymboyle:
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Ding Ding. RT @KelseyProud The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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DSmith_Tucson:
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@Chronotope There's a free version to get your feet wet. #ee #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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Chronotope:
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@jrue So they say :P #wjchat |
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2:44 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Thanks all for the thoughts. Now back to the previous century I go. #wjchat |
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2:45 am
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alixbryan:
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thanks all. great resources! see you next week! #wjchat |
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2:45 am
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emilymerwin:
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Thank you everyone! I have about 50 new bookmarks :) #wjchat |
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2:45 am
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Chronotope:
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@DSmith_Tucson I'll have to check it out. Is it really representative of the full version? #wjchat |
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2:45 am
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andymboyle:
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Remember folks, tip your waiters and don't forget your hats. Now go watch Ghostbusters. http://bit.ly/bKQ5Oe #wjchat |
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2:45 am
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BreannaGaddie:
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Thank you for such a great discussion. I look forward to next disc. Will contact few of you, feel free to touch base with me too. #wjchat |
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2:46 am
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darthcheeta:
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thanks to all #wjchat start with a big bang. more accessible to a wide range than irc where we old h4xors hang. kudos! |
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2:46 am
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KelseyProud:
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#somanytabsopenfromtheseresources! (Thanks :) ) #wjchat |
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2:46 am
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thorstone137:
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Q8 Another great resource for graphics to web development, audio to video http://Tutsplus.com #wjchat |
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2:46 am
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greglinch:
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Yes, just bc tonight's #wjchat on journalism and coding is finished, doesn't mean the discussion ends. Follow new people and keep in touch. |
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2:47 am
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journatweets:
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Most important lesson from tonight's #wjchat: Journos MUST learn coding. It will help you tell your stories better. Start w/ HTML, CSS 1/2 |
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2:47 am
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vanguardiste:
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andymboyle Ding Ding. RT @KelseyProud Way I see it: Use coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat |
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2:47 am
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michelleminkoff:
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Thanks to all. Was fun, inspiring and educational to hear from so many familiar and new people. Love connecting with journo coders! #wjchat |
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2:47 am
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wjchat:
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One more thing.... follow these great participants and spread the word! First rule of #wjchat is talk about #wjchat! Thanks and goodnight! |
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2:47 am
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ejovi:
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Exactly! RT @yelvington But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat |
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2:47 am
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ChrystallK:
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Thanks for all the awesome links, #wjchat! Since I <3 data, the next dragon I slay will be SQL. |
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2:48 am
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vanguardiste:
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@kelseyproud We'll have the transcript up again in case you missed something. Plus we're working on a resource list too. #wjchat |
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2:48 am
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KatieRogers:
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RT @wjchat: One more thing.... follow these great participants and spread the word! First rule of #wjchat is talk about #wjchat! Thanks and goodnight! |
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2:48 am
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wjchat:
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To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You'll find a transcript of tonight's chat there.... soon-ish. |
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2:48 am
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KelseyProud:
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@vanguardiste Fabuloso. I did miss some of them, but will go back to the list/transcript... and forward the heck out of the link. #wjchat |
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2:49 am
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markng:
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consider http://www.r-project.org/ as another interesting way to learn programming for journalists. #wjchat |
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2:49 am
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kleinmatic:
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#wjchat was fun but twitter not really good at keeping track of a fast-moving conversation. |
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2:50 am
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DSmith_Tucson:
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@Chronotope The free version lacks the kickass membership features, but you can certainly see what #ee is like http://bit.ly/cFeY8 #wjchat |
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2:50 am
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webjournalist:
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@andymboyle To hear Dr. Egon Spengler proclaim "Print is dead" in 1984? #wjchat |
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2:51 am
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journatweets:
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Once u've mastered basic coding skills, move on to SQL, then django, python. Most importantly: JUST DO IT! 2/2 #wjchat #journalism |
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2:52 am
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gotoPlanB:
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Ninja cat is sneaking up on you, ready to drop mad SQL skills: http://twurl.nl/fxl8wg #wjchat |
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2:53 am
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journatweets:
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Thanks @greglinch @webjournalist ,all others involved, for another awesome #wjchat ! See you next week! |
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2:53 am
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eyeseast:
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Agreed. Maybe CiL? RT @kleinmatic: #wjchat was fun but twitter not really good at keeping track of a fast-moving conversation. |
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2:53 am
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Chronotope:
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@eyeseast @kleinmatic - I'd advise trying out TweetChat to follow it. #wjchat |
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2:54 am
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tomkennedy:
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RT @greglinch: For non-coders, I highly recommend reading/listening to materials on Computational Thinking http://bit.ly/bWEZ8j #wjchat |
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2:54 am
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MacDivaONA:
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Thanks for the #wjchat invite. Enjoyed talking with familiar and new friends. :) |
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2:54 am
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bnmeeks:
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Amen, brother RT @yelvington: . @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat |
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2:55 am
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KelseyProud:
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RT @greglinch: Yes, just bc tonight's #wjchat on journ & coding is over, doesn't mean discussion ends. Follow new people and keep in touch. |
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2:55 am
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pekkapekkala:
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@webjournalist I think Google Buzz is the tool for #wjchat Have a thread for every Q and let people work their way. Could be awesome! |
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2:56 am
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killbutton:
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@wcochran Glad we had the debate. We may have some competing interests but also common goals. Living stories here we come. #wjchat #mditv |
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2:57 am
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Chronotope:
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@pekkapekkala That would be interesting... #wjchat |
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2:57 am
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markng:
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eavesdropping #wjchat was fairly interesting. One day, CAR will be considered standard for journalism in the way that shorthand was. |
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2:58 am
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jordanfifer:
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@kleinmatic Ha. I only discovered it thanks to this #wjchat too. Twitter's not made to be a chat room, but TweetChat helps. |
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2:59 am
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KarenUnland:
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Of interest to those interested in #yegmediacamp RT @wjchat: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/for transcript of tonight's #wjchat, soon-ish. |
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3:00 am
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muckrack:
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Now trending on Muck Rack: #wjchat http://bit.ly/cUfoKw |
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3:00 am
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greglinch:
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@Chronotope Definitely. But w/ CiL you can still have the convo "on" Twitter and use CiL to curate best tweets, focus, archive, etc #wjchat |
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3:00 am
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pekkapekkala:
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RT @wjchat: To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You'll find a transcript of tonight's chat there.... soon-ish. |
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3:01 am
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gotoPlanB:
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For HTML/CSS, I recorded all the labs from a semester. Welcome to them. Download to see code clearly. http://bit.ly/ckQ4q1 #wjchat |
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3:04 am
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rewinder:
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Brian Boyer ? Hacker Journalist : Kick Ass News Apps! ? projects to inspire journos: brianboyer: #wjchat Q4: Differ... http://bit.ly/Ueu2v |
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3:04 am
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rewinder:
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Hello, Newsroom: a simple GeoDjango application « News Apps Blog: brianboyer: #wjchat, y'all are the first to know, ... http://j.mp/9OWpOq |
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3:04 am
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sedicious:
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RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat |
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3:07 am
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ampersandra:
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RT @wjchat To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You'll find a transcript of tonight's chat there.... soon-is |
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3:07 am
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rrichard09:
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RT @moorehn: RT @greglinch Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter tool or platform #wjchat |
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3:08 am
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ampersandra:
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Sad that I had to miss #wjchat again (work beckons!) but excited about the transcript. You guys are fab. |
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3:08 am
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rspitzer:
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RT @wjchat: To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You'll find a transcript of tonight's chat there.... soon-ish. |
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3:09 am
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rspitzer:
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RT @KelseyProud: The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat |
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3:12 am
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greglinch:
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Big thanks to @brianboyer @onyxfish @eyeseast @mattwaite @derekwillis @onemoreryan @mattwynn @kleinmatic et al who stopped by #wjchat |
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3:13 am
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greglinch:
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@Chronotope Agreed, it is a "heavy" tool. Meebo is simple and worked pretty well for #CollegeJourn, *when* it worked properly, haha. #wjchat |
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3:14 am
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Chronotope:
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@greglinch Hah, you know what we should do? Play the throwback card and pile onto an IRC channel. :P #wjchat |
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3:18 am
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josephjames:
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@anthonydb Main skill I learned in Comp. Sci. was learning code quickly through logic. Much like linguistics to foreign lang. #wjchat |
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3:19 am
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Chronotope:
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Rough but I'm pretty sure complete archive up on my blog and filling out a delicious tag with all the links. http://bit.ly/dsjahH #wjchat |
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3:19 am
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mckennaewen:
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Collection of resources from tonight's #wjchat for learning HTML5: http://html5doctor.com/ http://html5doctor.com/ http://www.webmonkey.com/ |
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3:19 am
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josephjames:
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@Chronotope @greglinch I'll fire up the mIRC if I get ops. #wjchat |
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3:20 am
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codybrown:
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@greglinch Hey Greg, what is #wjchat? I keep seeing it happen. |
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3:20 am
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superjaberwocky:
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Sorry I missed #wjchat tonight. I'll try for next week. |
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3:22 am
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KenC32:
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RT @darthcheeta: common thread in #wjchat is journalists as taxomomy. still and video photographers, designers, writers, coders - we are ALL journalists. |
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3:24 am
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Walldo:
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Hi to all my new friends from #WJChat Loved my first chat, but there's gotta be a better format to do this in. So many tweets so little time |
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3:25 am
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dupkaspike:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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3:25 am
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stevesaldivar:
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RT @webjournalist: Next week's #wjchat will be moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru & author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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3:26 am
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josephjames:
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I know it seems old school but logic is your friend. Fav book: The Patterns on the Stone. http://j.mp/9lPKto #wjchat |
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3:26 am
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greglinch:
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@CodyBrown Web Journalist Chat started by mostly West Coast folks. I was guest moderator this week. More info http://bit.ly/a6iAJP #wjchat |
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3:28 am
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iJimCoyle:
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RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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3:28 am
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darthcheeta:
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rereading #wjchat - so important to not think coders VS journalists, but coders AS journalists. journalism is a pupose for the practice. |
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3:28 am
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greglinch:
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What if we used ChatRoulette for #wjchat?! Or ICQ? </sarcasm> cc/ @josephjames @Chronotope |
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3:29 am
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iJimCoyle:
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RT @yelvington: Q6. Future: HTML5; big shift in UI coming. Past: Not a skill, but understanding that Web is fundamentally social. #wjchat |
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3:29 am
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michelemclellan:
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Be flexible. Adapt. Bridge old and new. RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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3:29 am
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madshrew:
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@greglinch bestofchatroulette.com shows exactly why that's the best idea you've had all night. #wjchat |
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3:30 am
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webjournalist:
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@journatweets Glad you rnjoyed it! Talk to you soon. #wjchat |
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3:30 am
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webjournalist:
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@KelseyProud Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it. Talk to you soon. #wjchat |
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3:30 am
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madshrew:
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@greglinch Hmm, I just linked to the wrong best of site on #wjchat. |
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3:35 am
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MacDivaONA:
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To whomever was looking for jQuery tutorials during #wjchat, check out docs http://j.mp/awFcsA & vid http://j.mp/csZcAZ |
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3:36 am
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greglinch:
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@darthcheeta As moderator, that was my primary goal w/ this #wjchat topic -- avoid vs. I think, overall, most people who joined "get it." |
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3:38 am
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Chronotope:
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#wjchat archive for tonight. Somewhat easier to read than my last attempt - http://bit.ly/bYFCGM - I'm sure the official one will be nicer. |
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3:39 am
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Chronotope:
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@MacDivaONA Awesome looking. Thanks! #wjchat |
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3:40 am
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Chronotope:
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Awesome #wjchat tonight. I'll have to try and attend the next one. Though I think it conflicts with the next #dcmm |
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3:42 am
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WebDesignFltr:
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RT @MacDivaONA To whomever was looking for jQuery tutorials during #wjchat, check out docs http://j.mp/awFcsA & vid http://j.mp/csZcAZ |
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3:52 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@MacDivaONA Ooh, that Jquery vid series looks helpful! Thanks for that, and all your helpful comments during #wjchat. Great to "see" you. |
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3:59 am
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moorehn:
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RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat | sad but true |
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4:06 am
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TwapperKeeperEX:
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: @@vanguardiste your TwapperKeeper #wjchat is ready for download at http://exports.twapperkeeper.com/wjchat-4b7cbbee40452.tar |
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4:06 am
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TwapperKeeperEX:
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: @vanguardiste your TwapperKeeper #wjchat is ready for download at http://exports.twapperkeeper.com/wjchat-4b7cbbf7b256b.tar |
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4:16 am
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michelleminkoff:
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@greglinch Fabulous job w/ #wjchat. Questions elicited marvelous discussion, + transcript will serve as resource evangelizing coding journ. |
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4:20 am
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greglinch:
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@michelleminkoff Thanks! The questions were a collaborative effort with the wonderful #wjchat co-founders, listed here http://bit.ly/bjBWQ5 |
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4:21 am
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sofadude:
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Good luck keeping upan advertisers RT @kleinmatic: #wjchat was fun but twitter not really good at keeping track of fast-moving conversation |
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4:31 am
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webjournalist:
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Y'all, I'm thinking of pitching a "live" #wjchat as an #ona session for the coming conference in DC. Thoughts? |
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4:31 am
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adriennedye:
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RT @ninamehta: If the UX and IA design are a piece of cake, it might be time for more user research. @designhawg #wjchat |
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4:32 am
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trobertson:
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RT @yelvington: . @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat |
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4:32 am
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webjournalist:
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True. You learn some much by doing. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. #wjchat |
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4:33 am
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bill_allison:
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My colleagues at Sunlight Labs have put together ClearMaps -- powerful tool for data viz. http://bit.ly/ddyE0W #wjchat |
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4:34 am
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myrnatheminx:
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RT @bill_allison: My colleagues at Sunlight Labs have put together ClearMaps -- powerful tool for data viz. http://bit.ly/ddyE0W #wjchat |
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4:38 am
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webjournalist:
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@pekkapekkala and all... are you still on #Buzz? Did you turn it off? Give it another chance? Loving it? Using it? Hating it? #wjchat |
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4:40 am
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webjournalist:
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Yay! RT @muckrack: Now trending on Muck Rack: #wjchat http://bit.ly/cUfoKw |
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4:41 am
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madshrew:
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@webjournalist I turned off buzz for now. I wasn't getting anything from it and I'd rather my social be separate from email. #wjchat |
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4:50 am
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mialamar:
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RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat | sad but true |
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4:54 am
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greglinch:
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@webjournalist @emmacarew Regarding a #wjchat and @ONA10, that'd be a great unconference session. |
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4:55 am
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webjournalist:
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@madshrew Me too. But since they tweaked their privacy issues, I figure I should give them another try. #wjchat |
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4:57 am
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kelsey_snell:
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RT @dupkaspike: RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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5:08 am
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thomlieb:
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RT @journatweets: Most important lesson from tonight's #wjchat: Journos MUST learn coding. It will help you tell your stories better. Start w/ HTML, CSS 1/2 |
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5:09 am
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dkearns72:
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RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don't want to learn about the Web? They're called "early retirees." #wjchat | sad but true |
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5:27 am
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10000words:
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RT @wjchat Next week's #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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5:30 am
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nathanbyrne:
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RT @wjchat Next week's #wjchat guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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5:43 am
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Walldo:
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Just scrolled through 53 pages of #WJChat backlogs. I bet if you took out all the RT's it would be 2/3 the length. |
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6:06 am
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JourProf:
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We still have a few spots left in our multimedia study-abroad program in France this summer. Check out http://ieimedia.com, #WJChat |
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6:13 am
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Walldo:
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Hey #WJChat I compiled links from tonights chat into 1 place. Let me know what I missed/any you think should be added. http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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6:16 am
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SuziSteffen:
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Thanks! RT @Walldo #WJChat I compiled links from chat into 1 place. Let me know what I missed/any you think shd be added. http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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7:02 am
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SusannaSpeier:
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@journatweets FYI: my favorite html tutorial and glossary is http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp #wjchat #journochat #smchat |
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7:03 am
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Timotheus4:
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RT @killbutton: RT @thilosavage @hubertallen Some coders just arent very creative.Thats fine. U dont expect a dishwasher 2 invent a new kind of soap #wjchat |
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8:18 am
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paulcarvill:
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lots of interesting 'web journalism' chat late (UK time) last night here: #wjchat http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ it's weekly so stay tuned |
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8:28 am
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KenzDawn:
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RT @10000words: RT @wjchat Next week's #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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11:49 am
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Twit_Review:
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Twitter Summary | D@J: ... @brianboyer #wjchat and the shiny distraction is the danger for the newbie ? like tacky... http://bit.ly/cRSpT0 |
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12:24 pm
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jack_f:
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RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat |
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12:30 pm
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paulhyland:
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RT @wjchat: To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You'll find a transcript of tonight's chat there.... soon-ish. |
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12:38 pm
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amcreynolds:
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RT @dupkaspike: RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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12:40 pm
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joe_allen_black:
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What he said. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat /via @brianboyer |
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2:02 pm
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greglinch:
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Big thanks to @walldo for compiling links/coding resources mentioned in last night's #wjchat chat http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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2:03 pm
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marcusmessner:
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RT @Walldo: Hey #WJChat I compiled links from tonights chat into 1 place. Let me know what I missed/any you think should be added. http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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2:07 pm
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @greglinch: Big thanks to @walldo for compiling links/coding resources mentioned in last night's #wjchat chat http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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2:10 pm
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DawnVanNess:
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INFO ON CODING from #wjchat many thanks to @walldo ! http://walldo.net/home/blog/wjchat-links-from-journalistcoder-chat/ |
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2:31 pm
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lthanlon:
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RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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3:22 pm
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RobinJP:
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RT @greglinch: Big thanks to @walldo for compiling links/coding resources mentioned in last night's #wjchat chat http://tr.im/OHgZ |
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3:47 pm
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CChidester:
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RT @10000words: RT @wjchat Next week's #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words - multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist's Handbook. |
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4:28 pm
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journatweets:
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If u missed last nite's #wjchat on #journalism and #coding, find awesome list of links/ resources here: http://tr.im/OHgZ Thx @Walldo ! |
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4:42 pm
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kimbui:
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#wjchat lovers: official transcript will be up soon. @vanguardiste @greglinch @webjournalist Anyone willing to help with a highlight post? |
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4:48 pm
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ChrisBoese:
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RT @amcreynolds: RT @dupkaspike: RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don't learn Flash. Learn databases. |
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5:01 pm
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webjournalist:
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Thank you @kimbui! @RT @wjchat: Official transcript of last night: http://bit.ly/bIuHXA #wjchat |
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5:07 pm
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wjchat:
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@walldo has generously pulled together the links shared during last night's #wjchat in 1 convenient blog post! http://bit.ly/cEEyrS THANKS! |
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5:13 pm
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emilymonacelli:
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Wow. Judging by a quick search of last night's chat, I have a LOT of #wjchat catching up to do. |
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5:20 pm
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greglinch:
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Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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5:21 pm
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webjournalist:
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Annenberg Army: I encourage you to read the transcripts of #wjchat and join the weekly conversation! http://bit.ly/dBx0oe #ascj |
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5:23 pm
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webjournalist:
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@hatchjt @kategardiner @emmacarew Thanks for the support. I'll submit it as an @ONA10 session soon, unless this tweet counts! #wjchat |
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5:27 pm
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brianboyer:
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Last night, a mess of web-interested journos tweeted furiously. RT @greglinch: Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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5:29 pm
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dupkaspike:
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RT @brianboyer: Last night, a mess of web-interested journos tweeted furiously. RT @greglinch: Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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5:47 pm
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darthcheeta:
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RT @brianboyer: Last night, a mess of web-interested journos tweeted furiously. RT @greglinch: Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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5:52 pm
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webjournalist:
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Y'all, I have officially submitted #wjchat as an #ONA10 session. Let's hope @ONA approves it! |
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5:58 pm
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emmacarew:
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RT @webjournalist: Y'all, I have officially submitted #wjchat as an #ONA10 session. Let's hope @ONA approves it! |
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5:58 pm
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BreannaGaddie:
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New Blog: Speaking Geek: A Discussion about #Journalists & Coding: Recap from 2/17/10 #wjchat: http://digs.by/1S0g |
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6:04 pm
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webjournalist:
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@McKennaEwen @10000words If I recall correctly, the first 360 video came from @MSNBC's Katrina coverage. http://bit.ly/9g8BvA #jtech #wjchat |
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6:10 pm
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hatchjt:
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@webjournalist Nope... gotta put it in the session selector. It's a great idea. Looking forward to seeing it there! #wjchat |
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6:13 pm
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webjournalist:
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@hatchjt Done, done, done... #wjchat |
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6:37 pm
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journatweets:
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RT @greglinch: Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 #journalism #programming |
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6:52 pm
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Rawvelous:
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I need a word that begins with N that is part of a balanced life #wjchat #dkwab |
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6:56 pm
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EnzymaticThrpy:
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@Rawvelous Naturopathy! #wjchat #dkwab |
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6:58 pm
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reloreview:
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Narcotics? just kidding - LOL RT @Rawvelous: I need a word that begins with N that is part of a balanced life #wjchat #dkwab |
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7:28 pm
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Rawvelous:
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RT @reloreview: Narcotics? just kidding - LOL RT @Rawvelous: I need a word that begins with N that is part of a balanced life #wjchat #dkwab |
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7:34 pm
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ninamehta:
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Today in Experience Design class: HCI and Media overlap. We need to read the same things. (#wjchat) |
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9:27 pm
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convertbond:
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RT @JayneJuvan: RT @moorehn RT @greglinch Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool/platform #wjchat |
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9:40 pm
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ryansholin:
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RT @greglinch: Full transcript of last night's #wjchat http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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9:44 pm
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mattwynn:
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Transcript from #wjchat . Heard about a lot of things I did not previously know. http://bit.ly/wjchat2 |
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9:50 pm
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k1d2:
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@Chronotope Thanks for the #wjchat transcript. Official one looks nice, but yours easier to use in printed form, which is what I'm doing. |
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9:55 pm
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k1d2:
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@Walldo Thanks for compiling the list from #wjchat. Great resource! |
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11:29 pm
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emilymonacelli:
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The budding data geek in me is really glad I found @michelleminkoff's blog through #wjchat. http://bit.ly/aSIKN6 |
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11:29 pm
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DawnVanNess:
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RT @emilymonacelli: The budding data geek in me is really glad I found @michelleminkoff's blog through #wjchat. http://bit.ly/aSIKN6 |
