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June 2, 2010
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1:57 am
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MichaelWillett:
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RT @webjournalist @dmacleod1 Answer to your live feed question: Ustream.tv or Livestream.com are your best bets. #wjchat #jtech |
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1:59 am
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MichaelWillett:
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RT @suzanneyada RT @wjchat J-school relevant? Join #wjchat discussion Wed 8PM EDT.Guest host:University of Florida's Mindy McAdams @macloo |
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3:32 am
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webjournalist:
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JOB ALERT: USC's Center for Health Reporting is looking for a strong, experienced Multimedia Journo. http://bit.ly/bheN0B #wjchat #ona #nahj |
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3:41 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @webjournalist: JOB ALERT: USC's Center for Health Reporting is looking for a strong, experienced Multimedia Journo. http://bit.ly/bheN0B #wjchat #ona #nahj |
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1:19 pm
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macloo:
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Is J-school relevant? Join the #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: University of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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1:20 pm
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aschweig:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? Join the #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: University of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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1:20 pm
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RobinJP:
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Where are you going to be? Tonight's #wjchat: Is J-school relevant? 5PM PDT. Guest host: University of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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1:20 pm
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jclassnotebook:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? Join the #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: University of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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1:22 pm
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wcochran:
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@macloo a provocative question. will look forward to chat. of course I believe journalism education is relevant. #wjchat |
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1:23 pm
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RTjournalism:
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RT @wcochran @macloo a provocative question. will look forward to chat. of course i believe journalism education is relevant. #wjchat |
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1:27 pm
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macloo:
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To join the #wjchat tonight, simply follow the hashtag. One way is Tweetchat - http://bit.ly/bHUsoy |
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1:32 pm
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NSPA:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? Join the #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: U of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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1:32 pm
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acpress:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? Join the #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: U of Florida's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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3:03 pm
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webjournalist:
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RT @RobinJP: Where are you going to be? Tonight's #wjchat: Is J-school relevant? 5PM PDT. Guest host: U of F's Mindy McAdams / @macloo |
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3:06 pm
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emmacarew:
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sorry going to miss tonight's #wjchat - discussing whether J-school is relevant. Good topic - lots of thoughts on this. |
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3:07 pm
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emmacarew:
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#wjchat I think it is still relevant, but it needs to be deconstructed and built back up with a focus on producing |
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3:10 pm
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WPjenna:
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This sounds like an interesting chat! RT @emmacarew: sorry going to miss tonight's #wjchat - discussing whether J-school is relevant. |
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3:11 pm
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emmacarew:
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@wpjenna I really like #wjchat, though it usually falls at an inconvenient time for me. It's worth the follow! |
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3:14 pm
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mroseMN:
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@wpjenna @emmacarew Despite my occasional grumblings, I do think my j-school education was solid and...I hope...relevant. #wjchat |
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3:18 pm
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emmacarew:
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@mrosemn @wpjenna I think at the bottom line, journalists should be trained to the highest standards, & they need to learn by doing #wjchat |
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3:19 pm
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WPjenna:
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Ditto. RT @mrosemn Despite my occasional grumblings, I do think my j-school education was solid and...I hope...relevant. #wjchat |
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3:21 pm
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khaslett:
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A fellow intern decided to skip Jschool + get an English degree, but also needed to be the editor of her college paper. #wjchat |
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3:35 pm
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NSlayton:
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RT @APStylebook: Now trending on Mashable: "AP Stylebook Adds 42 New Guidelines for Social Media" - http://bit.ly/bKJ0YK #cjchat #wjchat |
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3:36 pm
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insanemo:
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RT @NSlayton: RT @APStylebook: Now trending on Mashable: "AP Stylebook Adds 42 New Guidelines for Social Media" - http://bit.ly/bKJ0YK #cjchat #wjchat |
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4:00 pm
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AndyMedici:
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/2fyqhvs The Future of Journalism: The Web 3.0 Newsroom #journalism #wjchat |
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4:25 pm
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vanguardiste:
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#WjChat tonight! Hope to see y'all there. Join us at 5pm PDT for another great convo on the foundations + frontiers of journalism on the web |
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4:52 pm
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kimbui:
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@journalistnate @emmacarew @mrosemn hm....y'all should join #wjchat tonight....we're talking about that exact issue! |
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5:29 pm
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KimFatica:
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Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion Wed 5PM PDT. Guest host: Univ. of FL's Mindy McAdams / @macloo. Send Qs to @wjchat |
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5:43 pm
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maryslosson:
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Pet peeve: Journalism and Communications/PR are two vastly different things. PR = spin. Journalism = seeing through the spin. #wjchat |
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8:06 pm
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macloo:
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Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:08 pm
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mhinojosa:
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@macloo Well now I have to check in! #wjchat |
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8:13 pm
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michelemclellan:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:17 pm
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MacDivaONA:
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Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo. Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:17 pm
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SarahDayOwen:
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RT @MacDivaONA: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo. Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:22 pm
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annatauzin:
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Short answer? Maybe. RT @MacDivaONA Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo. Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:23 pm
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MacDivaONA:
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@annatauzin Heh. It's like the answer to everything: "It depends." ;) /cc: @macloo #wjchat |
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8:24 pm
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darthcheeta:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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8:24 pm
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ladansusan:
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as is anything, it is what you make of it RT @annatauzin @MacDivaONA Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight |
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8:27 pm
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wjchat:
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Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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8:28 pm
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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8:33 pm
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dsato:
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RT @wjchat: #wjchat tonight at 8PM EST: Is J-school relevant? I know @SDulai could have a field day with this topic! |
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8:38 pm
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dmacleod1:
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RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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8:40 pm
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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8:48 pm
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jprofnan:
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RT @webjournalist: RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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9:05 pm
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Reporting1Suzi:
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#J361 Look at THIS. RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 5PM PDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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9:19 pm
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kimbui:
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RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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9:23 pm
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alexschmidt:
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i'm guessing you guys are gonna get a lot more rants than Q's! #wjchat |
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9:25 pm
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nclarkjudd:
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I just rediscovered Yahoo! Pipes. And they are so much more awesome to me now that I have a reason to use them. #wjchat |
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9:26 pm
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steffen4:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight, Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo Send Qs to @wjchat |
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10:00 pm
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AU_SOC:
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RT @MacDivaONA Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo. Send Qs to @wjchat |
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10:26 pm
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Amadeus3000:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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10:28 pm
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steveklein:
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#wjchat A Journalism education is as relevant to non-journalists as it is to potential journalists -- maybe even more so. |
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10:28 pm
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davidtaint:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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10:32 pm
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steveklein:
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#wjchat Journalism education should be part of general education curriculum and many if not most colleges. |
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11:04 pm
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newzed:
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RT @macloo: Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: Me! Send Qs to @wjchat |
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11:06 pm
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RobinJP:
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whoa.. one hour to go to #wjchat guest host @macloo .. we'll be talking about J-schools. Are they still relevant? come chat. 5pm PDT. |
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11:18 pm
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TauhidChappell:
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1 hour left! RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT/8PM EST for a lively discussion on: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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11:20 pm
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dnvolz:
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RT @steveklein: #wjchat A Journalism education is as relevant to non-journalists as it is to potential journalists -- maybe even more so. |
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11:22 pm
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JoshFrigerio:
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RT @dnvolz: RT @steveklein: #wjchat A Journalism education is as relevant to non-journalists as it is to potential journalists -- maybe even more so. |
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11:30 pm
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macloo:
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Tonight's #wjchat topic: Is J-school relevant? Tweet your related questions to @wjchat. |
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11:33 pm
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wjchat:
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30 mins until the start of #wjchat. Tonight's topic: The state of J-school w/ guest Mindy McAdams / @macloo from UF. #wjchat |
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11:35 pm
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killbutton:
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Check it out @UOSOJC RT @wjchat: Join us for #wjchat tonight at 5PM PDT for a lively discussion: Is J-school relevant? Send us your Qs! |
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11:36 pm
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @wjchat 30 mins until the start of #wjchat. Tonight's topic: The state of J-school w/ guest Mindy McAdams / @macloo from UF. #wjchat |
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11:36 pm
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alexisgrant:
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Of course it's relevant! Better question: Is j-school worth the price? RT @macloo Tonight's #wjchat topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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11:40 pm
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macloo:
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Web journalists - tonight's #wjchat topic: Is J-school relevant? Tweet your related questions to @wjchat - starts in 20 minutes. |
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11:43 pm
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underoak:
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...or #wjchat, or #vizedschat. |
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11:44 pm
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AndyMedici:
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@romenesko The Future of Journalism: The Web 3.0 Newsroom http://preview.tinyurl.com/2fyqhvs #journalism #wjchat |
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11:44 pm
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tchance121:
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RT @macloo: tonights #wjchat topic: Is J-school relevant? Tweet your related questions to @wjchat - starts in 20 minutes. #wjchat |
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11:56 pm
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greglinch:
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Exactly. I've been working on a post about this. RT @steveklein: #wjchat Journalism edu should be part of gen ed curriculum... |
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11:56 pm
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wjchat:
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5 mins until the start of #wjchat! Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? Guest: Mindy McAdams / @macloo from UF. #wjchat |
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11:57 pm
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webjournalist:
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Note to followers: I'm joining #wjchat in a few minutes, so expect a flood of Web journalism tweets. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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11:57 pm
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macloo:
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REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. #wjchat |
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11:58 pm
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RobinJP:
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Everybody: #wjchat starts in 3 minutes. I'm gonna be chatty. Follow along.. jump in. I apologize for the volume. |
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11:59 pm
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ethanklapper:
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RT @webjournalist: Note to followers: Im joining #wjchat in a few minutes, so expect a flood of Web journalism tweets. #wjchat |
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June 3, 2010
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dailycharlie:
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Note to followers: I'm joining #wjchat in a few minutes, so expect a flood of Web journalism tweets. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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wjchat:
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Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:01 am
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Quotes4Writers:
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RT @wjchat: 5 mins until the start of #wjchat! Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? Guest: Mindy McAdams / @macloo from UF. #wjchat |
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12:01 am
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kimbui:
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It's #wjchat time. Please ignore, or if you're a journo and want to talk j-school, join! |
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12:01 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:01 am
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wjchat:
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Our guest moderator tonight is Mindy McAdams / @macloo, Online Journo Prof. at University of Florida. #wjchat |
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12:02 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Our guest moderator tonight is Mindy McAdams / @macloo, Online Journo Prof. at University of Florida. #wjchat |
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12:02 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @wjchat: Our guest moderator tonight is Mindy McAdams / @macloo, Online Journo Prof. at University of Florida. #wjchat |
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12:02 am
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killbutton:
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Ooooooooooooooooooh that's right. It's #wjchat time! |
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12:02 am
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Jamesco:
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RT @wjchat: Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:02 am
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Quotes4Writers:
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RT @wjchat: Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:02 am
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vanguardiste:
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RT @wjchat: Our guest moderator tonight is Mindy McAdams / @macloo, Online Journo Prof. at University of Florida. #wjchat #wjchat |
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12:03 am
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wjchat:
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Let's start! Please introduce yourself, respond to questions + share your knowledge! And thanks for joining tonight's #wjchat |
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12:03 am
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nathanbyrne:
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RT @wjchat: Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:03 am
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davidtaint:
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RT @wjchat: Welcome to the 17th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for Web journalists. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:03 am
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macloo:
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Let's start! Please introduce yourself, respond to questions + share your knowledge! And thanks for joining tonight's #wjchat |
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12:03 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Joining #wjchat. Expect a lot of tweets about journalism. Interested? Join! |
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12:03 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Let's start! Please introduce yourself, respond to questions + share your knowledge! And thanks for joining tonight's #wjchat |
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12:03 am
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RobinJP:
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I cannot believe this is No. 17 ... 17. #wjchat |
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12:04 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat really curious to hear how many other folks participating in this went to j-school |
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12:04 am
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ethanklapper:
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Evening! I'm Ethan, will be a senior print journalism major at @AU_SOC in D.C. this fall! #wjchat |
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12:04 am
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webjournalist:
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Hi y'all! I'm Robert Hernandez, Web journalist and professor at USC Annenberg. We have a great topic and host tonight. #wjchat |
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12:04 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Brian Manzullo, @GRPress intern, online journalist looking for work in August. Welcome, @macloo! Looking forward to your input. #wjchat |
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12:04 am
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acnatta:
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Andre Natta, hyperlocal blogger (@bhamterminal) in Birmingham, AL. Looking forward to #wjchat tonight! |
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12:04 am
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macloo:
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Introducing myself: I teach online journalism at the University of Florida. Go Gators! #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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wcochran:
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Wendell Cochran, American University. WVU '69 and Missouri '74, both journalism. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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davidtaint:
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@wjchat Hey, #wjchat. I'm David Taintor, recent University of Wisconsin journalism grad. Excited for the chat. |
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12:05 am
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RobinJP:
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howdy. I'm Robin Phillips .. Web ME at the Reynolds Center for Biz Journalism. Full disclosure: Based at Cronkite J-school. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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Jamesco:
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Hey everyone. Been away a few weeks - I'm James, a #photojournalist at @CNETNews in #SF. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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vanguardiste:
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Hola! I'm Bethany Freelance Journo + Blogger in Portland, OR. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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dnvolz:
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Dustin, ASU student at Cronkite School. Print-oriented multimedia journalist. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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mckennaewen:
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Oooooh, excited to see that @macloo is hosting #wjchat. Guess I better join! |
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12:05 am
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kimbui:
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Hi y'all. I'm Kim Bui, web editor and freelance journalist in LA. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Hi! I'm Tauhid from Virginia Tech! Currently I'm a Producer/PR for Tech's student media org- @PlanetBBurg #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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intmediadesign:
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Hi, everyone! I teach Interactive Media Design at the UNLV School of Journalism. #wjchat |
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12:05 am
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mhinojosa:
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Mark Hinojosa, Dir of Interactive Media for the Detroit News #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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macloo:
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@webjournalist Thank you, Robert. (Robert twisted my arm so I would agree to be guest moderator.) #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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ClaudiaKoerner:
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talkin' bout j-school at #wjchat. oh j-school. can't believe I graduated a year ago. (from Walter Cronkite school at Arizona State). |
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12:06 am
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alexisgrant:
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Hey y'all -- I'm a reporter working on a book, also job-hunting in D.C. Got my master's from Medill in '05. #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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bberwyn:
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Hi, I'm a journalist in Colorado, recently started a community news website (I'm working on deadline, so might have to drop out) #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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kev097:
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@macloo @wjchat Is J-school relevant? :( No. A class maybe. A whole school or degree, no. http://bit.ly/9ou1e2 http://bit.ly/adq44Z #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@mhinojosa Welcome! #wjchat |
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12:06 am
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Heglyf:
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Curso de Jornalismo é relevante? Este é o tema do #wjchat de hoje. Junte-se para conversar. [Inglês] |
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12:06 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Good evening! I'm Greg Linch. I work at @Publish2 and am a graduate of @univmiami School of Comm (journalism/poli sci double major). |
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12:06 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Anthony Capps, editor @iowastatedaily. journalism students, senior at Iowa State University #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat McKenna Ewen, multimedia producer at the Star Tribune in Minneapolis, MN. |
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12:07 am
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laurenmichell:
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Lauren here. I design things and am a newsie at heart. And I'm going to put it out there: No, jschool is not relevant. #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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mmmbutters:
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@intmediadesign Hey gang. Web journalist and writer from Calgary, AB. Just listening in while working :) #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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macloo:
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My undergrad major was print journalism - Penn State 1981. #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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killbutton:
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Hey ya'll. 2009 @UOSOJC grad. Now, a web journo at online start-up @mditv. Look forward to hashing out the future of j-schools. #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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dailycharlie:
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Hello everyone, I'm Charlie the Online adviser at @iowastatedaily @amedeus3000 told me about the group #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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Heglyf:
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RT @webjournalist: Note to followers: I'm joining #wjchat in a few minutes; Web journalism tweets. Tonight's topic: Is J-school relevant? |
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12:07 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Hello. Nathan Byrne. Yes, I went to j-school (Missouri). Now eMedia manager at KQTV (@kq2) in St. Joseph, Mo. #wjchat |
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12:07 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Chip Oglesby, online producer, photojournalist. |
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12:07 am
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underoak:
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#wjchat Hi all. Andria Krewson, journalist in Charlotte. ABJ, Georgia, certificate in tech and comm., UNC. Lurking/multitasking mostly. |
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12:08 am
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kbeninato:
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@kbeninato Hi, writer & producer for http://www.neworleans.com and Huffington Post writer. #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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notblue:
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Hi everyone! I'm Nicole, a web editor who's looking for a job (hint ;)). I have a BA in Journalism & Sociology from Washington&Lee. #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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RobinJP:
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welcome @macloo ... so glad you are hosting. love j-professors with web sensibilities #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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webjournalist:
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@macloo I'm so glad you could make it... should be a good discussion! #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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tylerschance:
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Tyler Chance. Recent j-school grad. Copy editor/Page Designer/Social Media guy/Entry level whipping boy at local newspaper. #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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kimbui:
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w00t! Two people from my alma mater are here! hi @dailycharlie and @amedeus3000 #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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EAwrite:
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#wjchat Hi! |
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12:08 am
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wjchat:
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Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? Why? Or why not? #wjchat |
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12:08 am
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newzed:
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hi, el heller, managing editor @outlookpress - suny rockland community college. #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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dblanchard:
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Dustin Blanchard here. Mizzou grad a few years back. Reporter / MMJ looking for a job right now. http://www.dustinblanchard.com #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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Jamesco:
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Oh and since it's tonight's topic, I did not go to j-school #wjchat I'm not sure I would have wanted to at such a transitional time in news |
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12:09 am
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bberwyn:
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@McKennaEwen Hi, you recently published a few of my Albania travel pics in the Star-Trib! #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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webjournalist:
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Let's cut to the chase!! RT @wjchat: Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? Why? Or why not? #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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macloo:
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@cophotog Chip!! What up! #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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killbutton:
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Q1 Yes, because the foundation of journalism is SO important. Journos need a strong foundation in ethics! #wjchat |
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12:09 am
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lafinguy:
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RT @notblue: I'm Nicole, a web editor who's looking for a job (hint ;)). I have a BA in Journalism & Sociology from Washington&Lee. #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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ethanklapper:
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@wjchat Q1 Absolutely. The need for good, solid writing skills will always be there, regardless of the format! #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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ethanklapper:
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RT @killbutton: Q1 Yes, because the foundation of journalism is SO important. Journos need a strong foundation in ethics! #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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dnvolz:
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Brian Williams never got any college degree and is considered a top journalist even in an ever-changing market #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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mhinojosa:
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Q1 Yes, I think it's more important now to go to J-school. More and more we work alone and don't have other to teach us the ropes #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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sdulai:
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Let's see what the journogeeks are talking about this week. Hoping for some inspiration as I drop in on this week's #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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Jamesco:
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Q1 If you want to be a journo, go. Good writing is always important! #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? Why? Or why not? #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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djbentley:
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#wjchat Technology changes but the core principles of journalism don't change much. Ethics, law, style remain important. |
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12:10 am
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bberwyn:
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Yes, J-schools should be setting the pace for change, with students and profs collaborating to help define the future #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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notblue:
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@wjchat J-school is still relevant-no matter what, you need to know how to WRITE. Classes in ethics & reporting are good, too #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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ethanklapper:
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@dnvolz Results not typical, as they say. #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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twburton:
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Tom Burton, picture editor and video producer @orlandosentinel. And, Go Gators! #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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mckennaewen:
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@bberwyn Oh nice! Got any of that Guatemalan sink hole!? We could use a few... #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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alexisgrant:
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Should students still enroll in j-school? Yes, so long as the school is evolving along with the industry. #wjchat |
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12:10 am
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webjournalist:
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Q1 Being new to academia, I can honestly say yes. J-School is relevant WHEN it has a curriculum that reflects modern journalism. #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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ethanklapper:
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RT @notblue: J-school is still relevant-no matter what, you need to know how to WRITE. Classes in ethics & reporting are good, too #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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Jamesco:
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RT @wjchat: Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? Why? Or why not? #wjchat // Journalism chat. Join us! |
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12:11 am
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RobinJP:
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@kbeninato #wsjchat is good too! go biz journos.. =) #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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AllVoicesWriter:
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The tenets of professional journalism still apply, i.e. responsibility, strong writing skills, etc. #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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mhinojosa:
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@twburton How the heck are you #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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alexschmidt:
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web producer/digital strategery for shows at Fox / WHYY, NPR, Mktplace, New Yorker alum #wjchat art his. undergrad USC, j-school grad NYU |
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12:11 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q1 Yes, but double-major. Esp. in something you want to write about. AND work for school paper. Exp = relevant. #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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acnatta:
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Q1 I think so. Journos still need to understand basic writing, investigate skills and how it's applied with new tools #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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wcochran:
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RT @Jamesco: RT @wjchat: Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? Why? Or why not? #wjchat // #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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davidtaint:
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#wjchat I think of j-school like creative writing programs: not absolutely necessary, but helps students get to where they want to be faster |
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12:11 am
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kbeninato:
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Yes, nothing like life lessons from bitter reporters. @wjchat Q1 As the industry evolves, should students still enroll in J-school? #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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webjournalist:
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Q1 But, to be fair, curriculum is evolving faster than academia & industry are use too... but it is evolving and make great changes. #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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rohanv:
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It's not a requirement, but it's not irrelevant. Networking is key in journalism, and you can't always do that on your own. #wjchat |
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12:11 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Q1 Journalism isn't an industry. |
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12:12 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q1: More experience and focus on what they want to do exactly. Ex: What steps to take to become a multimedia producer. #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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davidcharns:
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RT @ethanklapper: RT @notblue: J-school is still relevant-no matter what, you need to know how to WRITE. Classes in ethics & reporting are good, too #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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dnvolz:
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@ethanklapper Same is true for Fmr CNN anchor Aaron Brown, and many other prominent journalists earned liberal arts degrees #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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macloo:
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@kbeninato Which bitter reporters are those? #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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kbeninato:
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Oops. #wsjisnotchatting @RobinJP #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Q1: the basics are necessary, but the curriculum needs to be updated and open sourced. By the time change happens, it's outdated. |
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12:12 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Q1: I'm a homer, I know, but programs like Missouri are adding specialized areas to give grads the best chance in a changing mkt. #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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Jamesco:
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@webjournalist Good point. Do we even know what that is right now? #wjchat |
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12:12 am
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notblue:
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RT @davidtaint: #wjchat I think of j-school like creative writing programs: not absolutely necessary, but helps students get to where they want to be faster |
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12:12 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat Q1 it helped (i think), but i wouldn't do it again unless they offered robust programming. now THAT would've been my $'s worth |
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12:13 am
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ClaudiaKoerner:
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Q1: J-school helped me get involved in internships which helped me get a job out of school. #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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macloo:
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RT @BrianManzullo: Q1 Yes, but double-major. Esp. in something you want to write about. AND work for school paper. Exp = relevant. #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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ethanklapper:
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@wjchat I think big problem is @AEJMC being slow to the game #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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sdulai:
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Q1: Ima say it, J-Skool is a waste of $ Make it a minor and learn the ethics, media law and history, but you can't teach curiosity #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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mhinojosa:
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@kbeninato Some of those 'bitter reporters' did some damn fine work that we can learn from #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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AllVoicesWriter:
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NYU requires their Journalism majors to double major. #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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ksablan:
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Congrats, Robert! RT @macloo: @webjournalist Thank you, Robert. (Robert twisted my arm so I would agree to be guest moderator.) #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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WatchdogDiva:
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RT @webjournalist: Q1 Being new to academia, I can honestly say yes. J-School is relevant WHEN it has a curriculum that reflects modern journalism. #wjchat |
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12:13 am
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alexisgrant:
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Why not? (Try to explain THAT in 140 chars!) RT @greglinch: #wjchat Q1 Journalism isnt an industry. #wjchat |
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12:14 am
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kbeninato:
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Me. @macloo Which bitter reporters are those? #wjchat |
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12:14 am
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davidtaint:
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@ClaudiaKoerner That's a good point. It gives students credentials, a line on a resume, that can get a foot in the door. #wjchat |
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12:14 am
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notblue:
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@AllVoicesWriter Really? We were just strongly encouraged to double-major or have another concentration. Credit cap made it easy. #wjchat |
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12:14 am
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wcochran:
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Never was much time to teach in newsrooms. Imagine today there is not any at all. #wjchat |
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12:15 am
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webjournalist:
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Agreed RT @djbentley: #wjchat Technology changes but core principles of journalism don't change much. Ethics, law, style remain important. |
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12:15 am
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Jamesco:
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.@SDulai "...but you can't teach curiosity" #wjchat // Aye. |
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12:15 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Q1 I would tell every art & journalism major to get a dual degree in business also. Very helpful. |
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12:15 am
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writepudding:
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RT @webjournalist: Agreed RT @djbentley: #wjchat Technology changes but core principles of journalism don't change much. Ethics, law, style remain important. |
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12:15 am
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tylerschance:
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Q1 J-school is more than a chance to learn skills, but also a sort of ether in which to experiment w/o biz pressures. #wjchat |
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12:15 am
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kbeninato:
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Bitter reporter is the highest compliment, thinking Ben Hecht The Front Page. Anyone not bitter is not paying attention. @mhinojosa #wjchat |
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12:15 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q1 J-School is great to learn foundations, ethics + refining writing/storytelling skills?but in other ways J-Schools are way behind. #wjchat |
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12:15 am
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macloo:
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In other words, some second majors are ... not that different from journalism! #wjchat |
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12:15 am
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ClaudiaKoerner:
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@davidtaint My professors were also former working journos, their contacts became my contacts. #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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bberwyn:
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@webjournalist not to mention general writing abilities in all sectors ... #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q2! #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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sdulai:
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(con't) plus j-skools are so far behind the curve, the best they can do is teach the fundamentals, but the other 60% is driven by u #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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RobinJP:
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Q1 J-school done right can be a great foundation with relatively little risk. and yes @mhinojosa access to some great curmudgeons #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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steveklein:
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RT @macloo: My undergrad major was print journalism - Penn State 1981. #wjchat / Mine was American Urban History AND Hebrew/Semitic Studies. |
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12:16 am
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ethanklapper:
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@wcochran I could easily argue that traditional newsroom experiences aren't nearly as important as they used to be. #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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twburton:
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@mhinojosa doing well Mark! hoping to see the future #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat someone recently asked me if they should go. i told them to put a couple thousand bucks into a programming course instead... Q1 |
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12:16 am
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ClaudiaKoerner:
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@webjournalist journalism ethics is where i see the big difference between j-school grads i work with and former english majors #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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wcochran:
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what good j schools teach: how to gather, organize, analyze, present information. Plus, core principles of law, ethics.
#wjchat |
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12:16 am
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danielbachhuber:
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Re: #wjchat Q1, haven't we had this conversation before? In fact, over and over and over again? |
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12:16 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@cophotog I was thinking about that! Now if it didn't set me 2 years back, I would've double majored in Comm/Marketing #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Q1: No. College, probably. Journalism is a joint effort of many other majors/departments - English, business, marketing, comm... #wjchat |
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12:16 am
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mhinojosa:
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Q1 I think a better question is 'What parts of current J-ed are not relevant and why?'
#wjchat |
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12:17 am
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macloo:
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Nice! RT @tylerschance: J-school is ... a sort of ether in which to experiment ... #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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ethanklapper:
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@cophotog Having a double major in poli sci (which I'm doing) definitely helps in this town (D.C.) #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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dailycharlie:
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Indeed -- open source is a viable solution. I also think a focus on lab-based research is also needed. You need to be in the mix. #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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alexschmidt:
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...with limited budgets, programming chops are perhaps most valuable skills to bring to a news outlet's table #wjchat Q1 |
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12:17 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @tylerschance: Q1 J-school is more than a chance to learn skills, but also a sort of ether in which to experiment w/o biz pressures. #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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notblue:
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@cophotog Some schools don't offer pre-biz degrees. Most of us doubled in something like politics or sociology or a foreign language #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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Jamesco:
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I got my first newspaper job when I met the managing editor at a bar. No joke. #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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steveklein:
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RT @macloo: Introducing myself: I teach online journalism at the University of Florida. Go Gators! #wjchat / GO GMU Patriots! |
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12:17 am
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killbutton:
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When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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greglinch:
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@alexisgrant Haha, yeah, hard to fit into 140 chars. Let's just say an "industry" is not the best lens thru which to view journalism #wjchat |
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12:17 am
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notblue:
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RT @wcochran: what good j schools teach: how to gather, organize, analyze, present information. Plus, core principles of law, ethics.
#wjchat |
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12:17 am
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macloo:
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@ksablan You can read later at http://bit.ly/bHUsoy #wjchat |
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12:18 am
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wcochran:
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@killbutton You need more than one source. #wjchat |
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12:18 am
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kbeninato:
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Nice. @Jamesco I got my first newspaper job when I met the managing editor at a bar. No joke. #wjchat |
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12:18 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q1 J-School needs to improve, but its still relevant. Still need media law, style, etc. And trust me: Students need writing classes! #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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Jamesco:
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RT @wcochran what good j schools teach: how to gather, organize, analyze, present information. Plus, core principles of law, ethics. #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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danielbachhuber:
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... in fact, I'm pretty sure we even did a podcast: This Week in Rebooting the Ecosystem for Reinventing J school http://db.ly/9 #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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wjchat:
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Q2 via @cody_swann: Let's just say, IF J-School is irrelevant... "What would replace it? Apprenticeships?" #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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twburton:
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@mhinojosa doing well Mark! #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @BrianManzullo: Q1 J-School needs to improve, but its still relevant. Still need media law, style, etc. And trust me: Students need writing classes! #wjchat |
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12:19 am
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alexisgrant:
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@greglinch You can explain that one to me sometime in person! #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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macloo:
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@ethanklapper Which experiences would be better (than newsroom)? #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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Jamesco:
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@wcochran Good point. And although the mediums and formats are in flux, the need for those skills doesn't go away. #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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dnvolz:
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@killbutton Many of my J professors, including a former editor for Nat Geo, majored areas other than journalism #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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killbutton:
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@wcochran Well, I didn't listen. I couldn't decide what to specialize in so I made a beeline for the j-school. #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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wcochran:
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Q2: What would replace j-school? "indentured servitude?"
#wjchat |
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12:20 am
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kbeninato:
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English lit and poly sci? RT @wjchat Q2 Let's just say, IF J-School is irrelevant... "What would replace it? Apprenticeships?" #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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jcstearns:
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@wjchat Q1 Yes, but they need to help innovate inside JSchools just like we need innovation in the field writ large #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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rohanv:
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@wjchat English majors w/PoliSci minors. People are not going to shed the idea of a degree. #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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davidtaint:
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haha RT @wcochran: Q2: What would replace j-school? "indentured servitude?" #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q2 via @cody_swann: Let's just say, IF J-School is irrelevant... What would replace it? Apprenticeships? #wjchat |
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12:20 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@killbutton woops, hit the enter key. So they wouldnt accept you if you just had journalism as your major? crazy #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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alexschmidt:
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#wjchat a prof in school once told me, "if you don't get it, i can't teach you," about formulating a proper story. damning self indictment! |
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12:21 am
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AllVoicesWriter:
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Citizen journalism sites want quality journalists, too! Many of those come without formal education, but it still helps. #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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Amadeus3000:
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#wjchat Q1: I think schools need more labs and hands-on teaching. Don't be a theory and accreditation/research school. |
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12:21 am
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greglinch:
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Haha, yes. RT @danielbachhuber: ... a podcast: This Week in Rebooting the Ecosystem for Reinventing J school http://db.ly/9 #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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wcochran:
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@killbutton good for you. #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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mhinojosa:
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@wcochran Isn't that what newsrooms are now ? ;-)
#wjchat |
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12:21 am
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RobinJP:
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. @macloo if nothing else, J-school can get you into internships. And that's where you can really learn .. and then stick around. #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q2: My media writing teacher strongly suggested we looked into apprenticeships. I've never heard of the term till this year #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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bberwyn:
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Q2 - maybe smaller J-labs, with a mentoring approach, along with online training #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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ethanklapper:
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@macloo Programming, design, video, etc. Not just traditional pen and paper/video packages anymore! #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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notblue:
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@wjchat Q2 Aren't they called "internships" now? ;) I'd say a mass comm degree (if that's not included in J-school) + internships. #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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Jamesco:
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@rohanv @wjchat English majors w/PoliSci minors // This was my degree. #wjchat |
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12:21 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q2 via @cody_swann: Let's just say, IF J-School is irrelevant... "What would replace it? Apprenticeships?" #wjchat |
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12:22 am
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wcochran:
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@mhinojosa haven't they always been? #wjchat |
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12:22 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q2 Nothing teaches you better than real-world experience. Internships, labs, workshops, student newspaper work. #wjchat |
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12:22 am
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justinNXT:
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#wjchat As someone who had to take the AP style test several times and studied Working with Words like a Bible, I say J-schools are needed |
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12:22 am
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acnatta:
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Q2 My degree's in architectural history & I learned from trial by fire and some great mentors. #wjchat |
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12:22 am
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PDXdrew:
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@macloo Totally agree with you. Everything from video production to social media needs to be included.
#wjchat |
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12:22 am
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dailycharlie:
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Newsrooms are -- classes are struggling with keeping up with new and current trends. #wjchat |
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12:23 am
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ethanklapper:
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@BrianManzullo et. al. I would never advocate throwing out a traditional college experience. Need that foundation. #wjchat |
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12:23 am
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macloo:
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@ethanklapper But you COULD do programming, design, video, etc., IN a newsroom #wjchat |
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12:23 am
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twburton:
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j-school isn't relevant if the goal is traditional media job. Is relevant if you learn to be a self-publishing journalist. #wjchat |
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12:24 am
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PDXdrew:
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Q2 Nothing can replace real-world experience. Apprenticeships are a good idea. But you need a rounded education for balance #wjchat |
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12:24 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat I feel like I've learned more on my own in the past year since I've graduated than I did in the first 2.5 years of j-school. |
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12:24 am
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rohanv:
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@Jamesco right, even without a j-school, going to college is still a crucial experience, no? #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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dailycharlie:
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I think self-learning is a skill that the J-schools need to incorporate into the curriculum. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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webjournalist:
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Q2 If you haven't noticed yet, the classroom has become the new newsroom... we have to do more than lecture. We have to do it #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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Quotes4Writers:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@notblue Agreed. I feel like I'd get a whole lot of experience at an internship (actually being IN the field) then in a class #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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wcochran:
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@greglinch and that would be true not matter what you studied. doesn't mean what you didn't learn a lot before hand.
#wjchat |
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12:25 am
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nathanbyrne:
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Q2: Nothing beats real-world training. Screwing up when it counts is pretty educational. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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davidtaint:
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Q2: I think universities need to promote stronger writing skills all around. I'm not so worried about specific degrees #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q2 This is why J-School needs to improve: To "reboot" journalism, you need journos without the "old" journalism in their blood. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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PDXdrew:
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@killbutton What j-school knowledge have you applied to that start-up you work for, @mditv? #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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Jamesco:
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When I got my first photo job I had no experience. But it was understood that it was a Mentor/Apprentice deal. Bad pay, great edu #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @BrianManzullo: Q2 Nothing teaches you better than real-world experience. Internships, labs, workshops, student newspaper work. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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acnatta:
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RT @dailycharlie: I think self-learning is a skill that the J-schools need to incorporate into the curriculum. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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ethanklapper:
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@macloo Indeed you could, but having worked around WaPo's Django shop, I know I'd feel more comfortable learning that in a classroom #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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RobinJP:
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@greglinch is that because you are more focused? and are you focused cause you have a base from j-school? #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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jmsummers:
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RT @nathanbyrne: Q2: Nothing beats real-world training. Screwing up when it counts is pretty educational. #wjchat |
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12:25 am
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killbutton:
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@Jamesco They want people who know a lot about the topic they're writing about. I'd say a double-major is the way to go. #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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macloo:
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@rohanv Yes, much of what we learn as undergrads is not learned in classroom, or graded. #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q2 (cont.) ... And that starts with education. If you're brought up to do things differently, you will do things differently. #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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tylerschance:
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J-school is about laying foundation. Establishing skillls/judgement. If I've learned everything already, I'm quitting now. #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q3! #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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steveklein:
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RT @greglinch: #wjchat I feel like I've learned more on my own in the past year since I've graduated / That's sad. Where did you go?! |
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12:26 am
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danielbachhuber:
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#wjchat Q2: Solve problems. Existing challenges I can think of: managing journalism at the data level, measuring veracity of info, etc. |
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12:26 am
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dailycharlie:
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RT @webjournalist: Q2 If you haven't noticed yet, the classroom has become the new newsroom... we have to do more than lecture. We have to do it #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat A must-watch video for later: http://bit.ly/d2pz4S @JeffJarvis talking about the future of journalism education. |
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12:26 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat agree completely! RT @nathanbyrne: Q2: Nothing beats real-world training. Screwing up when it counts is pretty educational. #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @wcochran: Q2: What would replace j-school? "indentured servitude?"
#wjchat |
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12:26 am
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madshrew:
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RT @webjournalist: Q2 If you haven't noticed yet, the classroom has become the new newsroom... we have to do more than lecture. We have to do it #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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Jamesco:
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@rohanv Absolutely. I went to U of Colorado. Wouldn't have missed it for the world! #wjchat |
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12:26 am
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notblue:
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@TauhidChappell I got more experience at my internship, but that's because W&L's online stuff was very, very basic. #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @webjournalist: Q2 If you haven't noticed yet, the classroom has become the new newsroom... we have to do more than lecture. We have to do it #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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macloo:
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@ethanklapper Oh, interesting! So are you saying - learn programming in college - learn journalism in newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat A must-watch video: http://bit.ly/d2pz4S @JeffJarvis talking about the future of journalism education. #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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dailycharlie:
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RT @macloo: @rohanv Yes, much of what we learn as undergrads is not learned in classroom, or graded. #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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ethanklapper:
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Already does, to an extent! RT @bberwyn: RT @wcochran: Q2: What would replace j-school? "indentured servitude?" #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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sdulai:
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Best thing that I got from j-school was friendships & how we pushed eachother to improve, my real education came in the real world #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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literariamente:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:27 am
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IleanaOroza:
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@greglinch #wjchat Well, in that case, UM did a good job. School is supposed to teach u how to learn, prepare u for the rest of your life |
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12:27 am
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Amadeus3000:
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#wjchat Q2: J-schools would be replaced with a little bit of all majors/departments ? isn't that what a j-school is suppose to be anyway? |
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12:27 am
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jmsummers:
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Checking out #wjchat. I'm Juana Summers, Mizzou 09 grad, now back in KC reporting for a news startup. |
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12:28 am
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Jamesco:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat A must-watch video: http://bit.ly/d2pz4S @JeffJarvis talking about the future of journalism education. |
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12:28 am
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dailycharlie:
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RT @BrianManzullo: RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat A must-watch video: http://bit.ly/d2pz4S @JeffJarvis talking about the future of journalism education. #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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ethanklapper:
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@macloo Pretty much, yeah! Having good knowledge of a prog language is key before applying that to a newsroom setting, imho #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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rohanv:
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@webjournalist maybe that's the key, making the classroom more of a newsroom, even for the (sometimes older) professors. #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@macloo Maybe it's just me (and maybe its already done in a lot of places) but why don't J-schools use student paper exp. 4 credits? #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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greglinch:
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@RobinJP I think bc I've create my own fdtn for cont to learn, in addition to working at a startup & learning more about that world. #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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steveklein:
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#wjchat Journalism is about being curious, learning to fact check, and learning how to write across platforms and disciplines. |
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12:28 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@notblue Nothing wrong with that! Gotta start with basics, then expand onto the more advanced and challenging tasks :] #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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emilymonacelli:
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@greglinch yes, yes, yes. I was talking about this with @journalistnate earlier. I've learned so much more since I graduated. #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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wjchat:
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Q3 What is your biggest regret and/or greatest success when you look back at your J-school experience. #wjchat |
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12:28 am
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RobinJP:
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@jmsummers welcome. we're talking about J-schools.. #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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ethanklapper:
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@BrianManzullo Because many student papers value their "independence." cc: @macloo #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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kimbui:
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@BrianManzullo We had to write for a publication for one of our reporting classes #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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mhinojosa:
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@ethanklapper I think I want a developer who understands the role of News in reader's lives. #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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davidtaint:
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@BrianManzullo That's a REALLY good question. Wouldn't surprise me if more schools start doing it. #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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tylerschance:
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@ethanklapper @macloo I'd echo the programming part. But which language depends on the individual. #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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ethanklapper:
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@mhinojosa Double major in journalism and computer science? #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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tylerschance:
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Hey @jmsummers ! #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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kimbui:
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Q3: Biggest success: Joining the student newsroom and never leaving. Regret: Not jumping on the new media wagon earlier. #wjchat |
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12:29 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What is your biggest regret and/or greatest success when you look back at your J-school experience. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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filmkid2009:
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RT @Amadeus3000 #wjchat Q2: J-schools would be replaced with a little bit of all majors/departments ? isn't that what a j-school is suppo |
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12:30 am
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ladansusan:
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my biggest regret is not specializing sooner #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What is your biggest regret and/or greatest success when you look back at your J-school experience. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@ethanklapper Haha. Such an overrated argument. A student paper can be independent and allow class credits... #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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notblue:
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@BrianManzullo @davidtaint Because a lot of school papers pride themselves on being independent from the J-school. Both of ours were #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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dailycharlie:
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Unfortunately @kimbui -- that's no longer required at the Greenlee School. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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alexisgrant:
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Q3 Biggest regret re: j-school experience? Wish I'd learned more technical skills. And how to edit video -- but it wasn't big yet. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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macloo:
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@BrianManzullo In some J-schools (example: BYU), working on student daily IS for credit. In others, no. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q3 Definitely regret not venturing into the broadcast or web arenas to experiment + learn more facets of the game. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q3: None yet. I'm not in grad school thehe. But I'm looking into it. Any suggestions?? :) #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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mhinojosa:
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@ethanklapper that's what my last programmer did, he kick butt for us. #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q3: Plus: Being able to work for @TheEagleOnline, @washingtonpost and elsewhere, and seeing the evolution of j'education firsthand #wjchat |
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12:30 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat I found it much easier to learn online skills independently from j-school rather than trying to convince faculty of its value. |
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12:31 am
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lisawilliams:
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Safely landed in DC. Any of my #NMWE or #wjchat friends out there? |
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12:31 am
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kimbui:
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@dailycharlie Are you serious? I knew they proposed, but i wish they hadnt followed through. #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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greglinch:
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@IleanaOroza Indeed! UM was + journalism program were important components/foundations, but there's a great deal beyond schooling #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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brianboyer:
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#wjchat q1: I found J-school incredibly valuable, but I'm a career switcher. |
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12:31 am
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notblue:
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@TauhidChappell By basics, I mean "how to use FrontPage." No raw code; we finally switched to dreamweaver my senior year. #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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killbutton:
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@PDXdrew Did 2 yrs in magazine & then 2 yrs in electronic media so got a multimedia edu on accident. Use it all & then some @mditv. #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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rohanv:
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@wjchat Q3 not doing more internships in the summer. Because as great as on-campus experience is, you're not allowed a vacation #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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macloo:
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@mckennaewen So you went to J-school but taught yourself online design? #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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jmsummers:
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Q3: Biggest success: Experimenting in all areas of media. I took classes in television, radio, print reporting and online #wjchat |
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12:31 am
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ladansusan:
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greatest success in j-school (especially @AU_SOC) comes from seizing opportunities you make for yourself given AU's tools #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@notblue I hear Dreamweaver is horrible. Thoughts? I haven't tried it yet, but I heard there's much better alternatives. #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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dailycharlie:
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@kimbui Yep it hasn't been required for a good three years now, if not longer. #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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notblue:
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@WJchat Q3 No regrets; successes? Well, it was cool to have the school send me to the ONA conference in '07. :) #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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AlexParker:
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@webjournalist not paying close enough attention to the promo materials. I was bamboozled #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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sdulai:
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Ditto! @mckennaewen found it easier 2lrn online skills independently from j-school rather than trying 2convince faculty of its value #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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justinNXT:
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#Wjchat Q3: Biggest success in J-School? Finally understanding data, databases and how to use numbers thanks to a CAR class! |
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12:32 am
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ethanklapper:
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@Jamesco Django, Ruby on Rails, PHP are good starting points (if that's what you're asking). #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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macloo:
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@notblue OMG that is so pathetic. Sorry for you! #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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kimbui:
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@Amadeus3000 @dailycharlie *hangs head* #wjchat |
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12:32 am
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bberwyn:
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Ummmn - didn't go, but no regrets either way; biz, academic pursuits, reading & travel gave me the skills to be a strong journo #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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killbutton:
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Q3 Biggest regret? Not taking more math classes or learning about CAR. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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laureninspace:
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I blogged about why J-School was a good choice for me here: http://bit.ly/bbOTXK #wjchat #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q3 What is your biggest regret and/or greatest success when you look back at your J-school experience. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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webjournalist:
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Q3 Regret: Didn't follow up w/ all those biz cards sooner! Success: Working on the school paper - the test run for th real world. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q3: Oh yeah, big plus: #ONA10 student newsroom :-) #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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kimbui:
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Q3: Another thing I am glad I did....conference. Any and all I could get paid for, I went to. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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davidtaint:
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Q3: Success: video packages, radio exp, student newspaper experience, having tough profs. Regret: Not taking any web design courses #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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ladansusan:
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I went to an undergrad that did NOT offer journalism as a degree, but did newspaper/radio/TV. that's all I really needed #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q3 Greatest success was triple majoring. I felt like it gave me a better understanding of the stories I was telling (and tell today) #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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mckennaewen:
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@macloo I basically worked out deals with my professors to turn my homework assignments into online projects. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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notblue:
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@TauhidChappell As far as a WYSIWYG goes, I like Dreamweaver a lot, though I mostly work in the code. Still 100000x better than FP. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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dailycharlie:
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Agreed!!! RT @ladansusan greatest success in j-school ? comes from seizing opportunities you make for yourself given AU's tools #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Q3 Not double-majoring in a liberal art. So critical for well-rounded education (which IMO is underrated) #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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tylerschance:
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I think one of the best things you can learn is how to teach yourself. #wjchat |
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12:33 am
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jaosullivanx:
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#wjchat checking in from a blah-blah meeting. Q3 I spent eight years getting my degree, which prepared me in an especially rounded way. |
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12:34 am
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greglinch:
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Ok, so let me rephrase that other tweet. I feel like I've head more "a-ha" moments, realizations, assumptions challenged, etc. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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jmsummers:
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Biggest regret: Not networking with professionals in the field or who were #Mizzou alums until right before graduation. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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lisawilliams:
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I didn't go to j-school, but I hire journalism students. IMO it prepares them to work in a news startup in some ways, not others. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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tylerschance:
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I agree with @kimbui . #ONA09 was an eye-opener for me. Huge. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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macloo:
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@Jamesco My advice is: Find a project that interests you. Then learn skills to make that project happen. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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RobinJP:
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Q3: biggest successes from J-school had to do with picking up ethics, standards, journo culture, attitude and writing skills. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@rohanv Yea I kinda wish I just sucked it up and tried for an internship for @RoanokeTimes this summer #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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ladansusan:
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absolutely RT @tylerschance one of the best things you can learn is how to teach yourself. #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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macloo:
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@McKennaEwen Oh, you were a pain-in-the-neck student? (grin) #wjchat |
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12:34 am
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mckennaewen:
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@macloo Then I had to learn what I said I could do or I'd fail... : ) #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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notblue:
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@macloo Fortunately, I was well into hand-coding CSS by then; I'd actually done online journalism in HS. I got to be the best. #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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killbutton:
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Words of wisdom RT @macloo @Jamesco My advice is: Find a project that interests you. Then learn skills to make that project happen. #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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dailycharlie:
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Well put. RT @ macloo @Jamesco My advice is: Find a project that interests you. Then learn skills to make that project happen. #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Q3: Though still a student ... Regret: not studying visuals/tech-programming/internet early | Good: joining the student news org. #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@tylerschance What is... ONA09? #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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LoriWBZ:
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Q3: My TV news writing class at NU changed my life. Really got me excited about news/reporting -- and got me a great internship! #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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mckennaewen:
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I was the worst! RT @macloo: @McKennaEwen Oh, you were a pain-in-the-neck student? (grin) #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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ladansusan:
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@wjchat do you think j-schools should have specialized degrees? aka intl reporting, enviro reporting, political reporting, etc? #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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ethanklapper:
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@TauhidChappell http://conference.journalists.org #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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greglinch:
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Don't let schooling get in way of edu :P |RT @tylerschance: I think one of the best things you can learn is how to teach yourself #wjchat |
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12:35 am
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notblue:
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@TauhidChappell @RoanokeTimes is supposed to be awesome; I went to school about an hour away. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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kimbui:
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@TauhidChappell The Online News Association. A wonderful org to join. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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laureninspace:
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@Amadeus3000, I feel the same way. Tech-programming/internet/visuals are ESSENTIAL. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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justinNXT:
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#wjchat Q3: Biggest regret - Not chatting up more of the writers and editors I met who came through Mizzou and IRE |
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12:36 am
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acnatta:
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Q3 didn't go but am grateful 4 the opportunity 2 write 4 local pubs & @scaddistrict #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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tylerschance:
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@TauhidChappell It was a conference I went to when I was a senior. Conferences were a huge plus for me. School paid for it. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q3: I turned my journalist's skepticism on my teachers and drove them crazy until they graduated me. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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lavrusik:
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@wjchat biggest success is probably launching a local new site that focuses on the tech startup scene and producing a documentary. #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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macloo:
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@McKennaEwen hahahaha - Nothing like pass/fail pressure to make you learn something fast! #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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ethanklapper:
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@ladansusan Mizzou just added something like 30 or so specialties #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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IleanaOroza:
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@greglinch #wjchat Absolutely! Welcome to the next 60 years of your life! :) |
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12:36 am
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kbeninato:
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Web design, programming, anything about social media. @wjchat Q3 What did you learn in real world that you didn't learn in J-school #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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kimbui:
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@ethanklapper shhhhhh we're getting to that! #wjchat |
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12:36 am
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dailycharlie:
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Formula for self learning I teach: Passion + Motivation + Tenacity = Success #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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rohanv:
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@TauhidChappell Yeah, i don't regret all my summer traveling, but if I have to hear the 'we value off campus work' speech again #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @greglinch: Don't let schooling get in way of edu :P |RT @tylerschance: I think one of the best things you can learn is how to teach yourself #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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wcochran:
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RT @webjournalist: Q3 Regret: Didnt follow up w/ all those biz cards sooner! #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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macloo:
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@greglinch I wish we could succeed more often at inspiring students to teach themselves. #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@Tylerschance @Kimbui oh sweet! I'll have to look into that!! :] #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Q3 I enjoyed the extra journalism classes I took, but wish I had taken more non-j-classes (biz, comp sci, psych, socio, etc). |
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12:37 am
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PDXdrew:
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@jaosullivanx LOL! I did the same thing to my journalism teach's. Drove them insane with my constant inquiries. #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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smithbm12:
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Brian Smith, online/branding director for @iowastatedaily & intern for @dispatch_argus. Popping in when I don't have stories to edit #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Remember folks, shit you teach yourself building a project will last longer than shit you learn in class. #wjchat |
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12:37 am
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notblue:
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@TauhidChappell @tylerschance #ONA conferences are so much fun. After school sent me in '07, I took myself to '09 as a vacation. #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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wcochran:
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@macloo amen. It is not our job to open heads and pour in knowledge. #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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jmsummers:
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@kimbui Oh man, you're gonna suck me in for the long haul tonight if we're talking #Mizzou curriculum. #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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PattiN:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@ethanklapper Thanks buddy! #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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lmfcrews:
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#wjchat Q3: What it really feels like to work on deadline. |
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12:38 am
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ethanklapper:
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The degree is just part of a successful journalism education. Your drive to make the most of it is the other (perhaps bigger?) part #wjchat |
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12:38 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Q3 biggest success? Not going to j-school. |
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12:39 am
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greglinch:
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Dude, @lavrusik, are you at @hackhackersnyc *and* doing #wjchat? This confirms my theory that there are two of you. Explains a lot :) |
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12:39 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @macloo: @McKennaEwen hahahaha - Nothing like pass/fail pressure to make you learn something fast! #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@notblue Gotcha. I'm eager to get the basics of dreamweaver. And yea I hope to become a multimedia producer for them someday :) #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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macloo:
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@lavrusik Do we really need "a local news site that focuses on the tech startup scene"? Tech tech tech blah blah blah #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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dailycharlie:
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Too True. RT @andymboyle Remember folks, shit you teach yourself building a project will last longer than shit you learn in class #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Q3: Entering last semester, I've learned a journalism I love: databasing. Make a spreadsheet beautiful. If only I'd known 3 yrs ago #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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ladansusan:
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@wjchat What did i learn outside of J-school? Everything I needed to know, except how to write. School did teach me that #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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kimbui:
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@ethanklapper Agreed. Your degree should give yoi the basic tools. Get yourself the rest and love your job. that's the ticket #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q3+ Biggest Real Life Lesson: "Do it now and ask for forgiveness later." (Of course that has its limits, LOL!) #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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justinNXT:
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#wjchat Q3 I wish I learned coding/programming better. I picked up a bit building a personal site...for my comic strip in the student paper |
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12:39 am
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sdulai:
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@wjchat I'm curious about what ppl think about the 25 specialties at Mizzou, is that the right path or a gimmick? #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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RobinJP:
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I agree. Topics to help add context: .. rt @greglinch wish I had taken more non-j-classes (biz, comp sci, psych, socio, etc). #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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wcochran:
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@TauhidChappell Talk about irrelevant -- Dreamweaver. #wjchat |
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12:39 am
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usn60av8r:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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davidtaint:
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@killbutton But did you end up studying it anyway? What convinced you? #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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webjournalist:
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Q3b Newsroom politics! That's right, I said it. Newsrooms can be a tough place. That's why I love 'em! Also, leadership skills. #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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kimbui:
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Q3B: I learned that journalism isnt perfect. and that change is part of being a great journalist. #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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AlexParker:
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My bigges success was being proactive and networking. Led me to a great job at @ljworld. #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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macloo:
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@sdulai We will have a Q about that soon - it's in our list! #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @macloo: @lavrusik Do we really need "a local news site that focuses on the tech startup scene"? Tech tech tech blah blah blah #wjchat |
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12:40 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Q3: the thing that's helped the most is constantly staying curious and soaking up every piece of info I could find Ask plenty of ?'s |
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12:41 am
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tylerschance:
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RT @webjournalist: Q3b Newsroom politics! Thats right. Newsrooms can be a tough place. Thats why I love em! Also, leadership skills. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @wcochran: @TauhidChappell Talk about irrelevant -- Dreamweaver. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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webjournalist:
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Agreed! RT @vanguardiste: Q3+ Biggest Real Life Lesson: :Do it now and ask for forgiveness later." #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Ha! RT @wcochran @TauhidChappell Talk about irrelevant -- Dreamweaver. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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lisawilliams:
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As someone who runs a news startup, the convention of "the story" and "a package" not too useful to me. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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macloo:
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REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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davidtaint:
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RT @kimbui: Q3B: I learned that journalism isnt perfect. and that change is part of being a great journalist. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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jaosullivanx:
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@PDXdrew Power to you, brother! #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat RT @webjournalist Q3b Newsroom politics! That's right, I said it. Newsrooms can be a tough place. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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mhinojosa:
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@sdulai So what will be the 25 specialties at Mizzou will have to teach in 5 years?
#wjchat |
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12:41 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@wcochran Is it not used these days? #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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wcochran:
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Success: Finding mentors who would help me the rest of my life/career. I aspire to be the same for my students. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q4! #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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dailycharlie:
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RT @kimbui: Q3B: I learned that journalism isnt perfect. and that change is part of being a great journalist. #wjchat |
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12:41 am
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cophotog:
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@macloo @lavrusik that's why niche sites are so popular. #wjchat. |
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12:42 am
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profkakie:
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Asst. prof. multimedia Univ. of KY. Huge @macloo fan. Just read myself in. #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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a_sundays_drive:
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#wjchat is proof social medial gurus are idiots. @BrianManzullo, even my grandma knows of these things called message boards and chat rooms |
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12:42 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Ok no more dreamweaver talk :| #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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gstickle:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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ladansusan:
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What I wish they would teach? @wjchat Journalism programs NEED to teach basic coding/adobe software and website building #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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jkerrsports:
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Don't forget taking action RT @dailycharlie Formula for self learning I teach: Passion + Motivation + Tenacity = Success #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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acnatta:
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RT @vanguardiste: Q3 Biggest Real Life Lesson: "Do it now and ask for forgiveness later." | need that reminder every once in a while #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat Not sure I'd have a journalism job if I followed the j-school curriculum. News orgs aren't looking for skills that everyone has. |
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12:42 am
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journatweets:
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Q3 Working at my school's paper proved invaluable to me.Many others didn't & never got a job in the field. You gotta get involved! #wjchat |
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12:42 am
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RobinJP:
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@webjournalist @vanguardiste Q3+ yep. do it until they tell you to stop. great lesson. #wjchat |
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12:43 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat I wish j-school not only worked more w/ CS and biz schools, but also with stats, psych, socio, anthropo dept. So many impt insights. |
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12:43 am
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wjchat:
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Q4 List the top five skills, ranked in order of importance, for a student of journalism to learn. #wjchat |
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12:43 am
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wcochran:
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@TauhidChappell It was banned along with waterboarding. Seriously, I don't know of any newsrooms using it. @macloo may know better. #wjchat |
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12:43 am
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macloo:
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RT @lisawilliams: As someone who runs a news startup, the convention of "the story" and "a package" not too useful to me. #wjchat |
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12:43 am
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tylerschance:
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@mckennaewen I agree. Got hired as copy editor, but was also thrown onto social media. I think those "other" skills got me my job. #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q4 List the top five skills, ranked in order of importance, for a student of journalism to learn. #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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ethanklapper:
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@wjchat 1. patience 2. entrepreneurship 3. programming 4. design 5. journalism #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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ladansusan:
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@TauhidChappell I studied English and journalism in school, but now I am focusing on foreign affairs. Wish I went to school for it #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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sdulai:
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@mhinojosa Here's a link http://bit.ly/aLeIKd (btw, I'm not a Mizzou grad,4 better or worse I couldn't go to a brand name school) #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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d_ry:
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@Davidtaint i wouldn't regret not taking web design courses too much. I took the classes but peers taught me everything i know now. #wjchat |
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12:44 am
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kimbui:
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Q4: Curiousity, Passion, Writing skills, and business skills. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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macloo:
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RT @kimbui: Your degree should give you the basic tools. Get yourself the rest and love your job. that's the ticket #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@kimbui Those two basic journ classes - 201 and 202 - have kinda lost their direction/purpose, imo. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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Jamesco:
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Q4 writing, curiosity, networking, programming, research skills. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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vanguardiste:
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Q4 Integrity, writing/storytelling, humility, hustle and how to keep a sense of humor in the most stressful situations. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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wcochran:
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@laureninspace now that's sad. And says so much about our field. Journalism is not software. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @wjchat: Q4 List the top five skills, ranked in order of importance, for a student of journalism to learn. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q4: Writing, digging, dealing with people, videography/photography, interneting. #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@wcochran Ahh.. Guess I'll stay away from it then >.> #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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jmsummers:
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Q5: I don't think some of the most important skills *can* be taught. Curiosity, creativity, risk-taking, empathy, passion #wjchat |
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12:45 am
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davidtaint:
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That's pretty much my list. Curiosity trumps all, for me RT @kimbui: Q4: Curiousity, Passion, Writing skills, and business skills. #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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mhinojosa:
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@sdulai What i mean is the essential 25 will continue to change as the world adds new ways to connect with inforamtion #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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kimbui:
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@vanguardiste oh man humilty. Any ego i have now is not an iota of what I had when i was in school. #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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cophotog:
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#wjchat Q4 1. Fact checking 2. Social Media 3. Programming 4. Photography 5. Video. |
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12:46 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Q4 (In no particular order) True passion, love of learning, empathy, open mind, ability to adapt. |
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12:46 am
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sdulai:
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1. Curiosity 2. Tenacity 3. Stubbornness 4. Lack of ego 5. Saddism helps #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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webjournalist:
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Q4 1. News judgment 2. Curiosity 3. Ethics 4. Open mind to change/experiment (especially w/ technology) 5. Storytelling skills #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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bberwyn:
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Q4 clear writing, ethics, interviewing, multimedia, web skills #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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wcochran:
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@TauhidChappell Buy a good book on HTML and CSS. Read Tufte. Look under the hood of sites you like. #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q4: HTML should be taught alongside and perhaps w/more emphasis than AP style #wjchat |
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12:46 am
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lindaperrybarr:
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Q4 Brainstorm, research, listen when you're interviewing, make sure your technical side is cool, and shotlist on your way back. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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laureninspace:
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@wcochran, but remember when you hired me to make charts in Adobe for your FOIA project? I think it's an important skill. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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smithbm12:
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@Amadeus3000 @kimbui Having just finished both classes, I would agree. Not very useful. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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czuegner:
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RT @greglinch: dont let schooling get in way of edu |RT @tylerschance: 1 of the best things U cn learn is how 2 teach yourself #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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dailycharlie:
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Curiosity. Creativity. Passion. Self learning. Business skills. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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vanguardiste:
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Tell me about it ;-) RT @kimbui @vanguardiste oh man humilty. Any ego i have now is not an iota of what I had when i was in school #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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macloo:
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@wcochran @TauhidChappell Dreamweaver not used in newsrooms. Use CMS instead. But DW okay for making static sites, if you need to. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 1 entrepreneurial skills: if you really wanna do journalism, don't let a little thing like not getting a job stop ya. Make your own. |
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12:47 am
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webjournalist:
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Q4 I am LOVING these answers!!! Yay for #wjchat! Thanks for joining us y'all... |
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12:47 am
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journatweets:
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Ha that's basically my motto :) RT @webjournalist @vanguardiste: Q3+ Biggest Real Life Lesson "Do it now, ask 4 forgiveness later" #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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dblanchard:
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@webjournalist I agree, except I think I would reverse your list. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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BrianManzullo:
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@a_sundays_drive Hey, I don't run the thing, I just participate. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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notblue:
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RT @webjournalist: Q4 1. News judgment 2. Curiosity 3. Ethics 4. Open mind to change/experiment (especially w/ technology) 5. Storytelling skills #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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LoriWBZ:
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RT @bberwyn: Q4 clear writing, ethics, interviewing, multimedia, web skills #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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kimbui:
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@bberwyn Well, I think it's innate, but it can be beaten out of you. You have to nurture it. #wjchat |
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12:47 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 2. Big picture. Do the stories add up to something that makes a good site? Is it something you want yourself? |
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12:48 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q4 List the top five skills, ranked in order of importance, for a student of journalism to learn. #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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RobinJP:
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Q4: 1. curiosity 2. libel 3. writing skills 4. entrepreneurship 5. humility #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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bberwyn:
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@webjournalist yes! News judgment is very important. That's my biggest frustration w. editors #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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kbeninato:
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1) Empathy 2) Grammar 3) Scepticism 4) Creativity 5) A Sense of Humor @webjournalist #wjchat (Can drinking be an alternate?) |
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12:48 am
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wcochran:
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@laureninspace Ah, but you knew what to put in the graphics and how to explain what they meant visually. That's the journalism part. #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 3. Community building/social media skills. Not "me write story, you read & go away now." |
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12:48 am
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kimbui:
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@smithbm12 @amadeus3000 You guys don't know how sad that makes me. Makes me want to go teach. #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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ladansusan:
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#wjchat 1) branding your niche 2) aggressive in pursuing ideas 3) web/video software 4) writing 5) networking |
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12:48 am
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Jamesco:
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RT @webjournalist Q4 I am LOVING these answers!!! Yay for #wjchat! Thanks for joining us y'all... // Agreed! As always ;) |
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12:48 am
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justinNXT:
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@wjchat 1. Tenacity 2. patience, 3. flexibility 4. Curiosity 5. A healthy liver #wjchat |
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12:48 am
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Amadeus3000:
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1) curious 2) organized (of information and yourself) 3) unselfish -what others want, not you 4) driven/innovative 5) transparency #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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sdulai:
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@mhinojosa I'm 100% in agreement... which is why my reaction was, meh. Will it matter? (con't...) #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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vanguardiste:
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@journatweets Mine too! #ActNowForgivenessLater #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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davidcharns:
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Q4: 1. Good writing 2. research 3. storytelling 4. pictures 5. communication. You should already want to find out everything. #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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webjournalist:
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Note to #wjchat organizers... looks like typewith.me is down... I have the Qs so we are okay. |
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12:49 am
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susanmernit:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat 1 entrepreneurial skills: if you really wanna do journalism, don't let a little thing like not getting a job stop ya. Make your own. |
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12:49 am
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dailycharlie:
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Some skills are not taught -- they're instinctual. Not everyone is cut out for what we do. #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@wcochran @macloo Noted. Thanks for the tips! :) #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 4 Basic grounding in how to launch & run a site that's more sophisticated than a Tumblr blog. Flash, not so much. |
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12:49 am
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vanguardiste:
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@justinNXT Oooh! TENACITY! I like that one. #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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mhinojosa:
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@macloo Storytelling , passion, flexibility and a high tolerance for rejection #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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jdistraction:
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RT @kbeninato 1) Empathy 2) Grammar 3) Scepticism 4) Creativity 5) A Sense of Humor @webjournalist #wjchat (Can drinking be an alternate?) |
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12:49 am
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sdulai:
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@mhinojosa (con't) Instead, they should stick to the fundamentals and do things like @SoulOfAthens projects to work new skills in #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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kimbui:
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@dailycharlie completely agreed. you have to walk into journalism with some of these skills. #wjchat |
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12:49 am
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cursingeditor:
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Wish I could follow #wjchat better. Just moves too fast for me to keep up while doing other things. Looks like a good conversation, though. |
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12:49 am
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drcarp:
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Students should have: 1) motivation, 2) research skills, 3) writing, 4) visual communication skills, and 5) understanding of users. #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat 3. Community building/social media skills. Not "me write story, you read & go away now." |
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12:50 am
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rohanv:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat 1 entrepreneurial skills: if you really wanna do journalism, don't let a little thing like not getting a job stop ya. Make your own. |
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12:50 am
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laureninspace:
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@wcochran, I think that shows that journalism and technology work well together! They compliment each other. #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @kbeninato: 1) Empathy 2) Grammar 3) Scepticism 4) Creativity 5) A Sense of Humor @webjournalist #wjchat (Can drinking be an alternate?) |
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12:50 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 5. How to work really, really hard, often without guidance or supervision, neither of which are in great supply out there. |
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12:50 am
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killbutton:
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@webjournalist Phew! I didn't know what was going on. Email me the Qs if you need to take care of the kiddo. #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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wcochran:
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@cursingeditor try tweetchat
#wjchat |
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12:50 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat RT @dailycharlie Some skills are not taught /Yep. Most of these are attributes to be developed, not skills to be taught. #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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jaosullivanx:
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@webjournalist We barely talk storytelling nowadays since we journalists have to worry about EVERYTHING else. #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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journatweets:
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@vanguardiste ha! Love it! :D #wjchat |
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12:50 am
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tylerschance:
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Q4 Ability to 1. learn 2. communicate 3. decide best medium to communicate 4. relate to audience 5. be entrepreneurial #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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greglinch:
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That's one thing I love about journ. #wjchat | RT @johnrobinson: You know what else? I've been at it for 30 years & I learn more each year. |
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12:51 am
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macloo:
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Q4 1. Curiosity 2. Interviewing 3. Compassion 4. How to use Google 5. Scrupulous honesty. #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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alexschmidt:
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@ladansusan ugh. branding your niche. really? #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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bberwyn:
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@kbeninato yep, a sense of humor is good, but can it be taught? #wjchat ya either have it or ya don't |
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12:51 am
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ladansusan:
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knowing software can put you in the "interview" or "reject" pile of the application process #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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brookevandam:
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Q4: Critical thinking, Ability to tell a story, Knowledge to deal with and get info from people, Passion and Motivation #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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acnatta:
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Q4 passion, entrepreneurial spirit, research, writing skills, common sense #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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smithbm12:
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@kimbui If we weren't downsizing, I'd say you should develop an online reporting class. Oh wait, Greenlee killed the attempt at that #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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webjournalist:
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@kbeninato Drinking is my #7.... #6 is a dark/sick sense of humor! #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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ethanklapper:
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@ladansusan + programming languages. especially HTML and CSS. #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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davidtaint:
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Sad truth RT @jaosullivanx We barely talk storytelling nowadays since we journalists have to worry about EVERYTHING else. #wjchat |
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12:51 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q5! #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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dblanchard:
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@webjournalist haha. again, I'd reverse those. #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Haha!!! RT @webjournalist: @kbeninato Drinking is my #7.... #6 is a dark/sick sense of humor! #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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wcochran:
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@macloo great list. I would add, "listening." #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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mhinojosa:
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more like #1 and #2 RT @webjournalist: @kbeninato Drinking is my #7.... #6 is a dark/sick sense of humor! #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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bberwyn:
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RT @acnatta: Q4 passion, entrepreneurial spirit, research, writing skills, common sense #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Many skills you have to learn by doing. They aren't taught in the classroom and are definitely not part of classroom "theory." #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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kimbui:
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@smithbm12 *headdesk* Someday, I'll kvetch with you guys about where I think Greenlee has failed. I have many many opinions. #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q4 1. Accuracy 2. Time management 3. Boss management 4. Humility 5. COMMUNICATION SKILLS (fo reals) #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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dailycharlie:
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As I read more of the Q4 answers, I think five answers may be a bit limiting. :-) #wjchat |
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12:52 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Also, I echo everything @lisawilliams just listed. Which reminds me of another point about learning... |
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12:52 am
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danielbachhuber:
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#wjchat Q4: Dreamweaver, Flash, Twitter, semaphore, COBOL |
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12:52 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@ladansusan oh cool! Foreign affairs sounds like fun! #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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kbeninato:
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Cheers! @webjournalist Drinking is my #7.... #6 is a dark/sick sense of humor! #wjchat @bberwyn |
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12:53 am
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kimbui:
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@webjournalist: Sarcasm has saved me from PTSD I think. #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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killbutton:
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@andymboyle Boss management? #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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macloo:
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Number 5! RT @mhinojosa: Storytelling , passion, flexibility and a high tolerance for rejection #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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RobinJP:
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@andymboyle Boss management .. love it! #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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ethanklapper:
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@danielbachhuber COBOL FTW! #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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twburton:
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Q4; mental agility, the ability to explain, fairness, accuracy, a sense of adventure #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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mellcessor:
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RT @djbentley: #wjchat Technology changes but the core principles of journalism don't change much. Ethics, law, style remain important. |
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12:53 am
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kbeninato:
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Sarcasm - great one. @kimbui #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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rohanv:
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Yeah that's the thing about j-school, you have to have these skills/know what you want before you sign up to it #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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NSlayton:
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Sorry I'm late. I'm Nicholas Slayton, lifestyle editor for USC's @dailytrojan. #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Some of the most interesting things I've learned have been bc of people (parents, profs, friends, tweeps, etc). Learn from others. |
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12:53 am
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alexschmidt:
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reality of the times -- won't be like this 4ever RT @jaosullivanx Barely talk storytelling b/c journalists must worry abt EVERYTHING #wjchat |
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12:53 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat Journalism students should be forced to learn just enough to realize that they know almost nothing at all. : ) #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat 6 How to apply to workplaces that don't look like newsrooms and use your skills there. Why not apply to google? |
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12:54 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat where does pun writing ability fall on the skill ranking? #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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tylerschance:
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RT @mhinojosa: a high tolerance for rejection #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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wjchat:
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Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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justinNXT:
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@wjchat If I could add a 6th: Fake ego. Your work will get criticized, but sometimes a "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" attitude deflects that #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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kbeninato:
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Hah! @mhinojosa more like #1 and #2 RT @webjournalist: @kbeninato Drinking is my #7.... #6 is a dark/sick sense of humor! #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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ladansusan:
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@alexschmidt absolutely. Branding yourself as an expert in something will go much further #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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RobinJP:
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@lisawilliams ooh. very nice. great 1-5. #wjchat .. What she said. |
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12:54 am
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sdulai:
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Thinking out loud: Has storytelling quality and solid fundamentals suffered as multimedia gets added to the pile? #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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ethanklapper:
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@mckennaewen Hey! Some of us are bright ;-). SOME. #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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davidcharns:
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@andymboyle Some journalists cannot talk to people and I'm like "Why are you in this business?" #wjchat |
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12:54 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Q5. Yes and no. I know many tech savvy students, but then half of my journalism class didn't know Twitter. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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andymboyle:
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@killbutton Uh yeah. You need to learn how to manage bosses, too, so you can get projects done and meet their expectations. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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dailycharlie:
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Love it! RT @McKenna Ewen #wjchat Journalism students should be forced to learn just enough to realize that they know almost nothing at all. |
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12:55 am
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Brizzyc:
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Great #wjchat now, esp. valuable for students! Q3 had so many good curriculum ideas from students, but so hard to get faculty to accept :( |
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12:55 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q5: Depends on the individual, but I think it's safe to say younger people are generally more tech savvy. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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vanguardiste:
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killbutton @webjournalist @RobinJP @kimbui I have highlights from Q4. I'll email them after the chat if Type.Me isn't back up. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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macloo:
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Welcome, @NSlayton - check http://bit.ly/bHUsoy to see what we have been tweeting. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q5. Absolutely true. Most are on Facebook; many experiment w/ Twitter. They wanna be there. Can't say that about many old reporters. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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intmediadesign:
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Q4: I think this article mentions some good technological skills every young journalist should know: http://tinyurl.com/26mygmj #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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davidtaint:
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@rohanv I have to disagree. Isn't education is about self-discovery, not a professional seminar? J-school shouldn't be any different #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@kimbui ah yes, the "digital newsroom" class. Was taught by the one professor who talks about life after the newspaper. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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ladansusan:
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@wjchat yes and no. depends on the newsroom @TBDDC has got it down, and I'm guessing most have been out of school for a while #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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mckennaewen:
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@ethanklapper Ha, the more I learn the dumber I feel. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q5: Hmmm...Depends... I want to say fact but down here at tech it feels like not many #hokies have embraced a lot of SM #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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dailycharlie:
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Q5 speaking from experience that's debatable :-/ #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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andymboyle:
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@killbutton I have about seven-ish people I could interract with at a "boss" level in a given day. Sometimes I've had more. #wjchat |
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12:55 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Q5. I think that some are tech savvy in some aspects, and ignorant in others. Like, I know SM, but not more software stuff. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@ethanklapper Agreed. Many are on facebook, however not a lot know about the importance of others like Twitter #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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kimbui:
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Q5: I've met with a lot of students and I'm frightened by how many of them have never even attempted to blog or use social media. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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JLangford:
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@cursingeditor If you use Tweetdeck or Hootsuite you can follow the hashtag #wjchat. Makes it a bit easier :) |
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12:56 am
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mhinojosa:
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@wjchat I'm an 'old head' but I've had to teach SM to younger staff members. It's attitude not age. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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kbeninato:
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RT @McKennaEwen #wjchat Journalism students should be forced to learn just enough to realize that they know almost nothing at all. : ) |
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12:56 am
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NSlayton:
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, I am a current #ascj student, so this is pretty topical to me. Very meta too. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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justinNXT:
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FACT. RT @wjchat: Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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webjournalist:
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Q5 OK, the truth is the tech community is smaller than we think... and not really tied to age. Newsroom/classroom, both reluctant. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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killbutton:
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@andymboyle Ha, ha. Gotcha. I have several bosses, too! Any boss management techniques you'd like to share? #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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tylerschance:
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I think I've said this before. I teach now. A lot of my students still afraid of technology. Didn't get into journ. for it. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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wcochran:
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@TauhidChappell well, the Mountaineer observed, they are "Hokies." #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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emilymonacelli:
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#wjchat Q4 skills: tenacity, curiosity, being able to talk to people, writing skills, and like someone else said, humility! |
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12:56 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q5: Cuts either way. some older journos have he zeal of the converted. But, I still know an old salts that don't even have c-phones. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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davidcharns:
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@wjchat Q5: FACT - Colleges are switching, or have switched, over to Apple. Every newsroom I've been in has dusty PCs that crash. #wjchat |
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12:56 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q5 Common sense: you'll enjoy and do more w/social networking when you're there b/c u want to be, not b/c u have to be. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Back to the chat. Sorry, was witnessing the biggest screwjob I've seen in a while in MLB #Tigers #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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kimbui:
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@Amadeus3000 Man, and ISU could be a leader in online if it tried. I see how killer you guys are....you just need guidance! #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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laureninspace:
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@ladansusan, @alexschmidt, I agree that branding is essential. Plus, I love having my own logo! Here: http://bit.ly/9zjnpf #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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bberwyn:
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@acnatta you're right -- and the writing can be learned; it's a tech skill. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q5 I would say more kids in college care more about cool online tech than learning how to cover a court case. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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lavrusik:
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@greglinch yeah, it didn't work so well trying to do both. Don't recommend it. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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tylerschance:
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Q5 and even if they know how to use it, we can't assume it's in any fashion that helps them as a journalist. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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webjournalist:
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Q5 That said, students are more likely to be embracing technology and change... lived it, so it's not a new shiny toy. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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acnatta:
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Q5 Both. They may be online but sometimes they fear its potential more than "old" reporters do #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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brookevandam:
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Q5- As a Journ Prof I would say students are more tech and SM savvy but only when it serves their self interests #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat Is it me or do a lot of j-school students have (please don't throw heavy stuff at me) a kind of retro nostalgia? |
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12:57 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Amen. RT @mhinojosa: Im an old head but Ive had to teach SM to younger staff members. Its attitude not age. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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wcochran:
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One thing you should learn in j-school: Don't generalize. Some students tech/SM savvy, some not. Same for newsrooms. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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notblue:
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@wjchat Fiction. It's not if you're older/younger; it's how adaptable you are. An "ooh, what does this do?" mindset doesn't hurt #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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kimbui:
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@webjournalist The web journ community is tiny. We should set up a mentoring program or something. #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat Q5 Pass. #rehash #generalizations #notveryconstructive |
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12:57 am
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tylerschance:
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RT @brookevandam: Q5- As a Journ Prof I would say students are more tech and SM savvy but only when it serves their self interests #wjchat |
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12:57 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat I swear if I hear "I'm not a computer person" in an intern interview one more time... |
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12:57 am
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ethanklapper:
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RT @wcochran: One thing you should learn in j-school: Dont generalize. Some students tech/SM savvy, some not. Same for newsrooms. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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andymboyle:
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@killbutton None that I'd openly share on a medium my Wonderful Bosses follow me on ;) #wjchat #DMme #orgetongchatorsomething |
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12:58 am
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michsineath:
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Q4 critical thinking, interview skill, how to write a story; tech; originally had passion, creativity but can't be taught? #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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killbutton:
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RT @wcochran One thing you should learn in j-school: Don't generalize. Some students tech/SM savvy, some not. Same for newsrooms. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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hilljohng:
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RT Agreed. It's hit and miss. And they usu need writing, reprtg help. @dailycharlie Q5 speaking from experience that's debatable :-/ #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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cursingeditor:
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RT @mhinojosa: @wjchat I'm an 'old head' but I've had to teach SM to younger staff members. It's attitude not age. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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macloo:
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@emilymonacelli: Q4 Humility! +++ ! #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@wcochran Meh!!! >:X #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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alexschmidt:
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just feels so anti-journalism to be so sales-y. but 'tis the reality of our world! @laureninspace @ladansusan re niche branding #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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kimbui:
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@brookevandam Agreed. Using SM and blogging for yourself is not the same as using it to tell stories. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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andymboyle:
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@davidcharns Not everyone's a talker. Some awesome journalists I've known are THE most awkward people ever. Yet they kickass. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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rveep:
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fact RT @wjchat: Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Thank you, was thinking the same thing... RT @greglinch: #wjchat Q5 Pass. #rehash #generalizations #notveryconstructive #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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lavrusik:
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@macloo it was local and niche. And yes, NYC, which has a growing scene needed it. #wjchat cc: @cophotog |
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12:58 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @brookevandam Yeah, using it for personal purposes is different than using it in the service of newsgathering or dissemination. |
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12:58 am
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LoriWBZ:
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Q5: I think younger people are more open to new technology. Some in newsroom need a bit of coxing when it comes to change. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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NSlayton:
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Q5. Ultimately, it's not a case of tech savvy, in this case it's being SM savvy, or hardware savvy. Tech savvy is way too vague. #wjchat |
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12:58 am
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bberwyn:
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@lisawilliams nothing wrong with trying to hold on to the good things from past, as long as willing to embrace new #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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webjournalist:
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@kimbui Hey, at least we started the chat! #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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wcochran:
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@TauhidChappell couldn't resist. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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rohanv:
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@davidtaint Although i take your point, you can use your time at school to see if you have any of those Q4 skills. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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RobinJP:
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RT @killbutton: RT @wcochran One thing you should learn in j-school: Don't generalize. Some students tech/SM savvy, some not. Same for newsrooms. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat I don't think it's that more kids in college are "embracing" social media. It's part of our lives because we're in college. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat I would imagine #wjchat participants are significantly more tech savvy on average than college students. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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macloo:
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OMG YES!! RT @lisawilliams: I swear if I hear "I'm not a computer person" in an intern interview one more time... #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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Amadeus3000:
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#Q5: Overall, it's a fact, but if it's for a benefit to themselves/an organization is debatable. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @brookevandam: Q5- As a Journ Prof I would say students are more tech and SM savvy but only when it serves their self interests #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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jmsummers:
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Me too. // RT @greglinch: #wjchat Q5 Pass. #rehash #generalizations #notveryconstructive |
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12:59 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat I mean, Facebook came out my freshman year. It was built in to my life from that point on. #wjchat #howelsedidyoumeetgirls |
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12:59 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q6! #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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NSlayton:
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Q5. I would say my peers, like @TauhidChappell, are more open to tech, but may not be specializing in certain areas. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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macloo:
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When students say "Computers don't like me" I just want to go to their home & high school and beat people up. #wjchat |
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12:59 am
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justinNXT:
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@Wjchat Generalizations aside, built in, time worn resistance is harder to overcome in a newsroom than a disinterested student #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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bberwyn:
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@kimbui - yes, mentoring is a good approach, low student to teacher ratio, personal relationship ... #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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hilljohng:
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@wcochran Great pt re generalizing. It's all a crapshoot. And we all need to learn and keep learning. #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @alexschmidt employers will come and go, you're always going to be there. Therefore, yeah, your own independent presence on the web. |
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1:00 am
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RobinJP:
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or to build community: @kimbui @brookevandam Agreed. Using SM and blogging for yourself is not the same as using it to tell stories. #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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mckennaewen:
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@wjchat Q5 If you're a 20-something intern with an active Facebook / Twitter account, that makes you a social media expert, right? #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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dailycharlie:
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ROFL! (AP style correct) RT @lisawilliams: I swear if I hear "I'm not a computer person" in an intern interview one more time... #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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brookevandam:
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Q5- My students are all active on SM but they can only use it to tell their story not others. Huge weakness. #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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ethanklapper:
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@macloo If students are going so far as to encounter you and then say that, they're making a serious mistake #wjchat |
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1:00 am
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Jamesco:
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Q5 Absolutely they are more adept 'info sharers', but I think it's a matter of knowing how to use it the right way for journalism. #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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mattwaite:
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Q4: 5 skills, ranked: writing, writing, writing, critical thinking and then everything else. No room for ppl who can't communicate #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @bberwyn yeah but so many of them want to work in The Philadelphia Story...a newsroom that never was. |
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1:01 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@NSlayton Agreed. #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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ZTracer:
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Especially all the nifty advanced search features (also learn there are other search engines)- RT @macloo: Q4 4. How to use Google #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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jaosullivanx:
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RT @mckennaewen: @wjchat Q5 If you're a 20-something intern with an active Facebook / Twitter account, that makes you a social media expert, right? #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@NSlayton Speaking of, do you know what you want to specialize in? #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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kimbui:
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I think the real Q here is.....why don't student know that tech skills are important? How have we failed there? #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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wjchat:
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Q6 Can tenured J-professors be innovative? Are they able to set an example for aspiring Web journos? #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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NSlayton:
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@macloo If they say that they're not a computer person, it's not a bad thing. It's a case of whether or not they're willing to learn #wjchat |
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1:01 am
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notblue:
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Of course. RT @mckennaewen If you're an intern with an active Facebook/Twitter account, that makes you a social media expert, right? #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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steveklein:
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#wjchat to Q5: Big fiction. I'm stunned at time at how little students relate to effective use of social media. |
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1:02 am
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davidcharns:
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@andymboyle True, but you should be able to have a conversation with people. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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alexschmidt:
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i have one...but a logo feels a step far. i'll get there, probably! RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat @alexschmidt independent presence on the web. |
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1:02 am
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davidtaint:
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@rohanv Agreed, and you make a good point. Curiosity is half the battle when it comes to j-school, and, perhaps, liberal arts ed #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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NSlayton:
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@TauhidChappell I plan on specializing in global affairs on a print/web split. I'm not a full on tech journalist. I just use SM. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @dailycharlie The sad thing is I hear it about twice as often from female applicants. Lesson: don't talk yourself down. |
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1:02 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q6: Huge generalization about who gets tenured. Will need more clarification before I consider answering. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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Jamesco:
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Q6 Short answer: probably not. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q6 Can tenured J-professors be innovative? Are they able to set an example for aspiring Web journos? #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q6: Yes and Yes. They can. Some do. Not sure what else there is to say about that. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @alexschmidt But if you have a logo you can get T-SHIRTS!!! LOL |
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1:02 am
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killbutton:
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Ha, ha! RT @lisawilliams @bberwyn yeah but so many of them want to work in The Philadelphia Story...a newsroom that never was. #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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laureninspace:
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This still happens in 2010? RT @lisawilliams: I swear if I hear "I'm not a computer person" in an intern interview one more time... #wjchat |
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1:02 am
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kimbui:
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Q6: When I was in school, my irritation with some tenured profs is that htey had too little real world experience #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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mhinojosa:
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great pointRT @brookevandam My students are all active on SM but they can only use it to tell their story not others. Huge weakness. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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lisawilliams:
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@Jamesco Yes, in intern interviews at @placeblogger . #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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justinNXT:
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True? RT @kimbui: I think the real Q here is.....why don't student know that tech skills are important? How have we failed there? #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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twburton:
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Q5; college students more "native" to tech but "old" journos can be very agile -- if they take time to talk with those under 30. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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davidtaint:
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RT @wjchat: Q6 Can tenured J-professors be innovative? Are they able to set an example for aspiring Web journos? #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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notblue:
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@wjchat Q6 If they want to be, yes. Some of them just need to be pushed in the right direction. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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dsilverman:
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RT @macloo: When students say "Computers don't like me" I just want to go to their home & high school and beat people up. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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emilymonacelli:
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This! RT @andymboyle: @wjchat I mean, Facebook came out my freshman year. It was built in to my life from that point on. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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smithbm12:
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Q6: I think it's rare, but possible. Impossible if administration would rather live 20 years in the past. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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macloo:
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@NSlayton Attitude behind "Computers don't like me" seems to be "I expect to fail." #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Q6. Yes. Will they? Maybe. But tenure doesn't mean a creative plateau. #wjchat |
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1:03 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@NSlayton Very nice. I wish I could sit down and wrestle with all the things I'd like to be so I can choose one (or two..) #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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Scheopner:
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Q6: when I was in Jschool, one tenured prof worked summers in TV newsrooms as a grip, carrying camera equipment, to stay current. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q6 I think they should teach kids how to be kick-ass reporters. That's probably why they were hired/did in their old job. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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webjournalist:
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Q6 Well, I know some that are really embracing and leading innovation. Others, the stereotype, not so much. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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steveklein:
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#wjchat Without curiosity, nothing else matters. |
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1:04 am
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CindyRoyal:
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LOL!!! RT @macloo: When students say "Computers don't like me" I just want to go to their home & high school and beat people up. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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kimbui:
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@cophotog And I don't blame higher ed. I blame the whole of the school system. I blame internships. We all play a role. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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RobinJP:
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@killbutton @macloo @kimbui @webjournalist @vanguardiste sorry, gang. gotta go or get in big trouble... super chat. nice job. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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Amadeus3000:
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#Q6: Yes, but do they really need to be? Have they even been in the real world? Profs would have job security at most places. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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michsineath:
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Q5 Fact & fiction: More tech/social media savvy perhaps & likely use Facebook more, but how/why it's used is more telling, isn't it? #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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NSlayton:
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@macloo I'm not that good with computers. I'm ignorant on a lot of things, but I still try to learn. I think it's individual. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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webjournalist:
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By the way, Q6 in #wjchat was inspired by a tweet from the #wxwtf "conference." |
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1:04 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q6: I was really impressed with Uni of St. Thomas faculty on innovation. Their paper is now also a continuous online op. #wjchat |
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1:04 am
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davidtaint:
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Q6: I would hope tenure is an invitation to be more innovative, but I don't think that's very common #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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NSlayton:
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@TauhidChappell Yeah, I just got lucky that global affairs and lifestyle (film, lit, etc.) are my passions. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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kimbui:
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@macloo That bothers me. Its an experimentation thing. As a student, it's the perfect time to try and fail. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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macloo:
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@CindyRoyal RIGHT? #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q6 I think more business profs should chat with J-school classes. Gotta make that money, son. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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Jamesco:
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@notblue @mckennaewen "social media expert" // Ugh I loathe that term. It's an automatic red flag #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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mhinojosa:
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Q6 Not very Tenured Prof is stuck in the era they walked out of newsroom example @macloo #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @webjournalist I think the Studio 20 program at NYU is very innovative. @jayrosen_nyu designed part of that. |
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1:05 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q6: Some yes. Others are too old school to change their thoughts/adjust to new technology #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q6: Our curriculum was a little slower to catch up (whose isnt?) but when I left they were working on that too. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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wcochran:
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@Amadeus3000 It depends on the school. At some places, professional experience is a key. At others, not so much. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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rohanv:
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Q6 Nope. With exceptions. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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michsineath:
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Q6 Absolutely. re: Can tenured J-professors be innovative? #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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dailycharlie:
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Q6: Yes, If they're willing to participate in lab situations. An idea a student floated by me: Make them get summer internships. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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drakowski:
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RT @macloo: When students say "Computers don't like me" I just want to go to their home & high school and beat people up. #wjchat |
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1:05 am
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jmsummers:
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Q6: There's no age limit on innovation, and it's unfair to say that tenure is automatically synonymous with stodgy. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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notblue:
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@Amadeus3000 J-profs in the real world? Every single one of my J-school profs had years of real-world experience. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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steveklein:
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RT @macloo: When students say "Computers don't like me" I just want to go to their home & high school and beat people up. #wjchat / Yup! |
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1:06 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Being "innovative" is just a buzz word. So many journalism jobs require you to do one thing well: WRITE STORIES. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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davidtaint:
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@jaosullivanx Agreed. @tommiemedia is a nice proj, but they need to rethink their linking. Runs from Twitter to FB b4 actual site #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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alexschmidt:
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hahaa...true! RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat @alexschmidt But if you have a logo you can get T-SHIRTS!!! LOL |
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1:06 am
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NSlayton:
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Q6 Just as a student, I think that some professors are varied with tech. I've seen some, like @webjournalist, are experts, others -- #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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BrianManzullo:
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RT @jmsummers: Q6: Theres no age limit on innovation, and its unfair to say that tenure is automatically synonymous with stodgy. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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tylerschance:
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U tell em! RT @jmsummers: No age limit on innovation, and its unfair to say that tenure is automatically synonymous with stodgy. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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ethanklapper:
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@jmsummers I 100 percent agree with you. #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@steveklein What about drive/passion? #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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Jamesco:
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Q6 Being static, feeling comfy is always dangerous, in any profession. But I suppose 'old timers' can teach solid basic skills #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q6 Can tenured J-professors be innovative? Are they able to set an example for aspiring Web journos? #wjchat |
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1:06 am
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NSlayton:
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Q6. -- are basically ignorant of what a web browser is. And they have to teach with it. So...it's individual, we can't generalize. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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kimbui:
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@notblue That wasn't the case in my j-school when i was there. Some had never even walked in a newsroom. Striaght to academia #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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lmfcrews:
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#wjchat Q6: it's difficult because their jobs don't require the same skills. |
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1:07 am
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mattwaite:
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Q6 I've met dreadful adjuncts and tenured profs who were a house of fire and everything inbetween. Inspiration is where you find it #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat the question is, are you teaching to the past or the future? |
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1:07 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q7! #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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justinNXT:
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RT @andymboyle: Being "innovative" is just a buzz word. So many journalism jobs require you to do one thing well: WRITE STORIES. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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greglinch:
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#wjchat All due respect, what's the point of Q5 & Q6? Huge generalizations, don't hit the fundamental issues at hand, etc. |
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1:07 am
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marygazze:
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hello everyone, hope I'm not too late for #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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LoriWBZ:
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RT @jmsummers: Q6: There's no age limit on innovation, and it's unfair to say that tenure is automatically synonymous with stodgy. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@notblue plenty of my professors wer in the real world for just a couple years. #wjchat |
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1:07 am
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mckennaewen:
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@Brizzyc I tried to add classes to learn specific skill sets. That ended being a lot more work than learning those skills on my own. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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Jamesco:
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@andymboyle @wjchat Being "innovative" is just a buzz word. // Really? It's one of my personal foundations. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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macloo:
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@NSlayton But @webjournalist doesn;t have tenure yet. Just wait. (hee hee) #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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Amadeus3000:
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Thinking of this tenure thing, reminds me of Clay Shirky's "College from Scratch" wiki: http://bit.ly/5GdrMK ... tenure outdated? #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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AsianStig:
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@wjchat Oh no, I almost missed #wjchat again! |
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1:08 am
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NSlayton:
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@marygazze Welcome to the fun that never ends. Well, it does, but not now. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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drcarp:
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The issue is connecting professionals and profs. We can learn and teach each other. Q6 Can tenured J-professors be innovative? #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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davidtaint:
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@Jamesco True. And it's helpful to have a prof hound my reporting first, then digital media. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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lisawilliams:
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I give Q7 to @greglinch ! #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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mhinojosa:
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@greglinch So is the question Why are some profs allow to be stuck in time? #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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wcochran:
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@macloo hah. #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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marygazze:
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@NSlayton glad to hear it lol #wjchat |
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1:08 am
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CindyRoyal:
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@macloo absolutely. I hear that all the time and feel the same way. Have not yet resorted to violence ;-) #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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artwickc:
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Q6: Spending my Wednesday PM innovating on #wjchat rather than streaming Jon Stewart. :) |
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1:09 am
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glennluther:
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@greglinch I totally agree. I missed the point of Q5,Q6 #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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NSlayton:
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@AsianStig Some say that he gets here at the last second, and that he has three nipples on his chest. all we know is he's The Stig. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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andymboyle:
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@Jamesco Perhaps you should innovate some synergies that you can leverage while curating some crowdsourced content. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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bberwyn:
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@lisawilliams - true, even younger editors I've worked with have NO idea where journalism is going, it's not an age thing #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @justinNXT: RT @andymboyle: Being "innovative" is just a buzz word. So many journalism jobs require you to do one thing well: WRITE STORIES. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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marygazze:
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Q6 some of my J-profs are following me, so they're at least keeping up with new tech. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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macloo:
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"Computers don't like me" RT @lisawilliams: it's a way to be safe rather than risk failure, frustration, or embarrassment. #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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mckennaewen:
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@greglinch Should we build a master list of every non-innovative j-school professor instead...? </snark> #wjchat |
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1:09 am
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NSlayton:
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I know I'm late, I'm just curious, who else here is a current Jschool student? #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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AsianStig:
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@wjchat Q6 Yes, they can be innovative, if they keep up w/ innovations from the Web and new media. Real world experience helps too. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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andymboyle:
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@Jamesco But really. Why call it innovation? That sounds pretentious and high-minded. Just call it "good work." #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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scottleadingham:
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Ah, late to #wjchat (again). Good discussion. Agree w/ @greglinch on perplexity of previous two questions. |
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1:10 am
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notblue:
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@kimbui @amadeus3000 I guess I was lucky; my copy editing prof had two pulitzers under her belt. Other profs had 20+ yrs experience. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@wcochran At some schools, I think accreditation matters. Research savvy or real world savvy. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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NSlayton:
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RT @andymboyle: Being "innovative" is just a buzz word. So many journalism jobs require you to do one thing well: WRITE STORIES. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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mckennaewen:
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@greglinch Side note, I have no idea if I used those hyphens correctly... #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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twburton:
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W/o curiosity , it doesn't start. it "matters" when examined, understood RT @steveklein: #wjchat Without curiosity, nothing else matters. |
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1:10 am
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macloo:
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I think some J-profs say "These are the basics, the foundation" & then just teach them the way they've been taught for 50 years. #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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jaosullivanx:
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RT @andymboyle: @Jamesco But really. Why call it innovation? That sounds pretentious and high-minded. Just call it "good work." #wjchat |
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1:10 am
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kimbui:
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@glennluther: @greglinch We do ask for Q contributions every week. If there's something you guys want to address, shout it. #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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NSlayton:
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Innovation is just doing something well in a new way. If using tech and SM to write good stories is innovation, then okay Just write #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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wjchat:
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Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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wcochran:
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@Amadeus3000 We are accredited. We only hire people with significant experience, and people we think can adapt to future. #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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notblue:
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@andymboyle One of the job applications I'm looking at uses the term "create successful innovation." What does that even mean? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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kimbui:
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RT @wjchat: Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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webjournalist:
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RT @wjchat: Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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rohanv:
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Right, and tenured professors are usually best at 'the foundation', but not at telling you how to survive online #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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ethanklapper:
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TK. RT @wjchat: Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:11 am
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greglinch:
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@mhinojosa Re Q6, The fundamental Q is, "How do we best re-shape/structure our educational system and institutions?" #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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macloo:
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Then other J-profs say, "How can I update these things that we have been teaching for 50 years?" Same principles, new angles. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q7: absolutely. If the students are willing to work at it. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Btw learning newswriting and formats, I think as supplements in courses, learning platforms can be easily done. What -- #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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andymboyle:
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@notblue That means "make shit that we think is cool and don't know how to do." #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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jaosullivanx:
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@notblue Noah built the ark. That was pretty innovative. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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marygazze:
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RT @wjchat: Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Q7 -- what they specialize in, that should come down to the student and his/her path of study. #wjchat |
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1:12 am
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andymboyle:
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@lisawilliams Thanks for playing! Next week we'll play Corporate PR Bullshit Speak Bingo. #wjchat #runituptheflagpole #seeifanyonesalutes |
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1:12 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@notblue our visuals prof has a pulitzer, not tenured yet. He hasn't done much "research" either which may hurt him... #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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mattwaite:
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@macloo "The basics" too often equals "mailing it in." Writing and editing are the foundation AND evolve. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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webjournalist:
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Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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Scheopner:
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@macloo #wjchat no computer skills = not being able to type 20 yrs ago. Not acceptable for a journalist. |
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1:13 am
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AsianStig:
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@wjchat Q7 Given that the platforms keep changing, J-schools could place more focus on social media sites that have the most impact. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q7: No. But it can introduce students to a little bit of the everything they're going to need. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Q7: I think it's possible. I guess it depends on how many skills/platforms (or which skills that the school deems most important) #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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macloo:
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@CindyRoyal The key is I don't feel angry at student but at previous teachers, mentors, who allowed student to see self as failure. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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NSlayton:
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Here's my view as a Jschool student. Don't get rid of all the old methods. Use tech/SM as a new angle to something not a blank slate #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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michsineath:
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RT @greglinch: @mhinojosa Re Q6, The fundamental Q is, "How do we best re-shape/structure our educational system and institutions?" #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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MaryBethC:
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True dat RT @dailycharlie Formula for self learning I teach: Passion + Motivation + Tenacity = Success #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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wcochran:
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If I could only focus on teaching one skill, it would be "reporting." It cannot be overemphasized. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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twburton:
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Teaching journalism you need to know if the job of "editor" of the paper is no longer a given, then everything is questioned. #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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kimbui:
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@notblue @amadeus3000 and I went/are going to the same uni. It's a research based school, so it poses unique issues with profs #wjchat |
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1:13 am
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glennluther:
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J-schools can teach fundamentals. Its not the platform that makes a difference in the world it is the content. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q7 My J-school education gave me a strong reporting/editing background. It let me dabble in video/radio/design. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat Schools should reward students who work outside the curriculum to master 1 or 2 skills. There should be room to specialize. |
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1:14 am
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davidcharns:
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Q7: Sort of - it is difficult to teach the "older" ways with "new media." Schools should figure out better ways to mix the two. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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NSlayton:
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Q7. A Jstudent should be exposed to many platforms. I don't want to be web exclusive, but I see the benefits of knowing the web. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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acnatta:
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Q7 aren't journalists supposed to be able to go wherever the story takes them? #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat q7 Therefore, it was sorta up to me to take extra time to learn those skills and apply them in the real world. I like that. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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notblue:
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@wjchat Q7 Yes. It's just a matter of structuring the curriculum properly and giving students the opportunity to explore. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@jaosullivanx Agreed. A little bit of everything = versatile #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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davidtaint:
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@wjchat Q7: I think it's possible, but it depends on the university. Teaching/research loads probably affect a lot #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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kbeninato:
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Probably, because so many students already have a web background when they enroll. @webjournalist #wjchat: Q7 |
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1:14 am
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davidtaint:
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RT @wcochran: If I could only focus on teaching one skill, it would be "reporting." It cannot be overemphasized. #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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scottleadingham:
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Q7 - Are J-schools (or any trade-oriented programs) not already doing that? Am I missing something? #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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CindyRoyal:
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Q7: challenge is teaching broad range of skills while integrating w new concepts, trends, ideas--perspective. Can be done, though #wjchat |
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1:14 am
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TinaDybvik:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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NSlayton:
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Q7. Don't separate new media from main courses of study; integrate it to the class so that all angles are taught, web & traditional. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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rohanv:
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Q7 If the school can list out a few of the general platforms and suggest which classes you take for mastery in each, maybe #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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notblue:
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@kimbui @amadeus3000 I'm so, so sorry. I love (and still talk to!) my profs from J-school. #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q7: I was busy enough in schol, but still had to learn photography and video on my job. And learning those past the basics take time #wjchat |
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1:15 am
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WatchdogDiva:
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RT @wjchat: Q5 Fact or fiction: College students are more tech savvy, embracing social media more than those in the newsroom? #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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NSlayton:
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@CindyRoyal Agreed. Maybe a lecture or two out of the main course study on a SM/web aspect could work. It worked for my class. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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kimbui:
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@notblue I had some horrid profs and also some wonderful ones, so it wasn't all bad. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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ethanklapper:
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@notblue What's the balance between structured time and "exploratory" time? #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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brookevandam:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat: Q7 Can J-school balance teaching many skills/platforms and mastery of one or two - w/o overwhelming? #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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webjournalist:
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@kbeninato But that's really not true... most know Facebook and YouTube. Play with video cameras, but no real Web skills. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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Amadeus3000:
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@wcochran We are also accredited, but our school wants the researchers, not the real world/experienced people. #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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tylerschance:
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@scottleadingham Depends on where you look (p.s. glad to see another Indy person here! Felt alone) #wjchat |
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1:16 am
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andymboyle:
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@wcochran Reporting's the No. 1 skill my J-school/college paper/internships taught me. And it's been my most important life skill. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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justinNXT:
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@Wjchat I think the question is whether J-school is suppose to prepare you or make you an expert? It's not a trade school...yet #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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hgondo:
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Agree! RT@NSlayton:Dont separate new media from main courses of study; integrate it that all angles are taught, web & traditional. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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jaosullivanx:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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NSlayton:
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@webjournalist Agreed. I think people my age see the web as more of an entertainment outlet than a work resource/tool. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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webjournalist:
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@kbeninato Knowing how to type does not equate to knowing how to tell a good story. Journalism fundamentals first, tech second. #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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marygazze:
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Q7 J-Students still need good journ foundation. J-School might want to focus on most mainstream platforms like web writing/videos #wjchat |
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1:17 am
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wjchat:
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Two minutes until Q8! #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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dailycharlie:
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@ girljournalist I agree with the specialization avenue. Have exposure to all of the processes -- But be a ROCK STAR in one ... #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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NSlayton:
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@marygazze Agreed! I love web skills and resources, they're great to have, but don't ignore foundations. #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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wcochran:
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And I would love to be able to teach the art of the story idea. Too few of my students can see the array of stories before them. #wjchat |
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1:18 am
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hgondo:
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@dailycharlie yes and find a beat or two #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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maccur:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat 3. Community building/social media skills. Not "me write story, you read & go away now." |
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1:19 am
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tylerschance:
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RT @webjournalist: @kbeninato Knowing how to type does not == knowing how to tell a good story. Fundamentals first, tech second. #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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macloo:
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Agreed! RT @webjournalist: Most know Facebook and YouTube. Play with video cameras, but no real Web skills. #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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notblue:
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@ethanklapper Our labs were a combination of the two. Profs said, produce website; we made it happen however we wanted to. #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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dailycharlie:
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Pulitzers don't get won by someone who is average at a lot of things in the journalism world. #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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jaosullivanx:
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Q7: So, learn fundamentals and one/two platforms in school. Then learn social media, business, coding on your own time/dime? #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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ethanklapper:
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@notblue Interesting! #wjchat |
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1:19 am
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macloo:
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Q7 So many students have little or no experience creating or producing - except text. They have lost to learn. #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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dailycharlie:
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@hgondo Agreed! #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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hgondo:
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@wcochran I agree.J-students overseas R very creative w/ finding stories; US students' stories tend to be hohum #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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wjchat:
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Q8 What one topic/skill should be dropped from the curriculum? And why? #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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kbeninato:
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Tech class is almost redundant for some, so many students already have video editing and web site design skills. @webjournalist #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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marygazze:
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But if u don't do everything u don't have job RT @dailycharlie: Pulitzers dont get won by someone who is average at a lot of things #wjchat |
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1:20 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat I also wish that professors forced kids to learn to write on deadline. What's this two weeks to write a 500-word story shit? #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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glennluther:
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@macloo @marygazze I think a class on the business side of freelancing would be so amazing. I wish that I could take that today #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat still looks like they're training for The Newsroom. Not as many there anymore, what about those skills used elsewhere? #wjchat |
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1:41 am
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jmsummers:
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Q9: It's crucial that students know what resources are available to them, no matter where they are. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q9: I like the "individually design part," but that's not new . . it just took a little more work before. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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notblue:
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Ducking out early; I need to go buy a new power adapter for my computer. Accidentally left mine 400 miles away. I don't recommend it #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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emilyingram:
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RT @webjournalist: Q8b My advice: find your peers & profs that get it & want to innovate.. then go rogue! Don't settle, be proactive w/ your education. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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acnatta:
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Q9 the pieces are probably already there at most schools. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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currycolleen:
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Watching @lisawilliams write a guide to my life/career for #wjchat. |
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1:42 am
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macloo:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalism students should be required to build something. A project, website... Just BUILD something! |
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1:42 am
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NSlayton:
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@wjchat Q7. I think that's a great option, it open. But, why not make j-degrees more varied and have more concentration? #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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hgondo:
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@NSlayton can be; but that doesn't mean u can't go out and educate yourself! Pitch stories, build blogs, create hyperlocal projects #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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laurakeeley:
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Q9 I'm not sure dividing J school further is the way to go. I like the idea of less concentrations, more overlap #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat how do j-schools deal with fact that most majors won't get jobs in a newsroom? #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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lisawilliams:
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@currycolleen ROFL
#wjchat |
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1:42 am
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michsineath:
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New Curriculum Expands Study Options for Incoming Undergraduates at the Missouri School of Journalism http://bit.ly/9YkSJN via #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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AEJMC:
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New Curriculum Expands Study Options for Incoming Undergraduates at the Missouri School of Journalism http://bit.ly/9YkSJN via #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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ohmgee:
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@underoak my past 2 interns didn't grasp concept of editorial design/text flow. it's not taught to design majors. so, yes and no. #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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hgondo:
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@glennluther yes business journalism, entrepreneurial journalism, freelancing 101, cool! #wjchat |
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1:42 am
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CindyRoyal:
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Yes, creation is key RT RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalism students should be required to build something. A project, website #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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webjournalist:
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Q8b What up Annenberg Army? I'm up for going rogue if you are! ;) #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat Q9: I'm just worried the new options will actually pigeonhole many students, depending on how easy it is to mix and match. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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macloo:
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@TauhidChappell Then you need to learn Flash. (Sorry, Apple, but it's true.) #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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wcochran:
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I'm not sure that undergrad program really is place for specialization. Too diffuse. But double majors, multiple minors great ideas. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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justinNXT:
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@wjchat Q9 But...but we have Jon Hamm. Who cares what tomorrow's journalists are learning...http://twitpic.com/1te7d5 #wjchat #CryingInside |
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1:43 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@macloo To me, regardless if J-professor knows a lot of tech,he/she should encourage students to learn more & keep learning about it #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q9 It's almost TOO specific. Such as magazine editing. GOOD LUCK ON THAT ONE, 2014 graduates. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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KimFatica:
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@wjchat Final Q: I think it's important that j-students are well-rounded. So many don't even have basic facts of gov't correct. #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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laurakeeley:
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@lisawilliams I think most people still hope for newsroom jobs! #wjchat |
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1:43 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat @webjournalist, wait, there's an Annenberg Army? #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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NSlayton:
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RT @kimbui Q9: I think it's cool, but I'm concerned it'll make students *too* niche. // Agreed! Add more to courses, don't split up. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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hgondo:
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@TauhidChappell yes, the best teachers aren't afraid of telling students to go out and learn more from others #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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rohanv:
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Heh. I'm down. RT @webjournalist: Q8b What up Annenberg Army? I'm up for going rogue if you are! ;) #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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emilymonacelli:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalism students should be required to build something. A project, website, business or app. Just BUILD! |
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1:44 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@macloo I'm up for the challenge :-) .... I think #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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lisawilliams:
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@laurakeeley Not saying they won't get jobs, just not newsroom jobs. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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acnatta:
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I'd agree with @girljournalist - http://twitter.com/girljournalist/statuses/15292213780 #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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ZTracer:
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Q9: Specialization is important - I think Mizz decision calls into question the notion that J school is best prep for journalism #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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ahemphill:
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Twitter is annoying as a chatroom. #wjchat #getoffmylawn |
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1:44 am
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hgondo:
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@KimFatica i think that's also with the general public lol #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams The newsroom may not hire us, but we can use our degrees for diplomacy, on startups, think tanks, etc. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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Scheopner:
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agree @KimFatica @wjchat ... it's important that j-students are well-rounded. So many don't even have basic facts of gov't correct. #wjchat |
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1:44 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat Q9 Missouri School of Journalism announced new curriculum - students now have 25 degree options instead of 6. #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams @webjournalist Annenberg army? Can I join? #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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oscarmartinez:
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These days, the ability to "unlearn" is as important as "learning." #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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michsineath:
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I'd like to see a couple different somethings & push it. RT @mckennaewen Journalism students should be required to build something #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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macloo:
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RT @wjchat Q9 Should others emulate Mizzou? http://bit.ly/aLeIKd #wjchat |
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1:45 am
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hgondo:
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@ambernarro u should come on into tweetchat.com with #wjchat. it's fun! |
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1:46 am
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ethanklapper:
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Q9. It's a good concept. Will it overstretch the program? And yes, I think students need to have more flexibility than that. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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CindyRoyal:
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@lisawilliams I try to prepare students broadly for digital media careers on any field/ broaden definition of "media" #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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NSlayton:
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Q9. People need the foundations and ethics. Specialization is a personal choice. Learn the essentials first, then go into niches. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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MegsLeigh:
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@ohmgee @underoak I think print design/layout should be the same class. Can't have one without the other. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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KimFatica:
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@hgondo So true! LOL #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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dblanchard:
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@oscarmartinez I've always been good at that. Controlling it is another issue. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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glennluther:
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haha RT @ahemphill Twitter is annoying as a chatroom. #wjchat #getoffmylawn |
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1:46 am
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lisawilliams:
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@NSlayton But the paradigm is "learn how to work in a (disappearing) newsroom." I'd like to see journalism liberated from that.
#wjchat |
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1:46 am
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ohmgee:
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@underoak teach how type works and solid design. knowledge transcends print. works in web, interactive, apps, video, etc. #wjchat |
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1:46 am
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MegsLeigh:
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Oh, and hi, I also apparently followed @underoak and @ohmgee into chat as well. I'm also a noob. #wjchat *waves* |
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1:47 am
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dailycharlie:
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Very TRUE! RT @oscarmartinez These days, the ability to "unlearn" is as important as "learning." #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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tylerschance:
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Welcome @MegsLeigh #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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emilyingram:
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RT @oscarmartinez: These days, the ability to "unlearn" is as important as "learning." #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat journalism is not the property of the work process called "newsroom." or "story," for that matter. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams I think the newsroom isn't dying, just evolving to something new. Newspapers, or the format/structure won't die. -- #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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KatieRogers:
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Whoa, it's episode No. 17 of #wjchat already? I guess if we have 17 of these, we can think up 25 valid career paths. (Q9) #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @NSlayton: Q9. People need the foundations and ethics. Specialization is a personal choice. Learn the essentials first, then go into niches. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams -- We just need to evolve with it. Don't scrap it all away, just use it as a base for something new. #wjchat |
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1:47 am
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hgondo:
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Good point; also takes courage and maturity RT@oscarmartinez These days, the ability to "unlearn" is as important as "learning." #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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KimFatica:
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@macloo Q9: What Mizzou's done, IMHO, is created a niche for themselves among all of the other j-schools in the country... #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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sswalker:
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My students are required to tweet leads, blog and produce websites using html and WYSIWYG programs. #wjchat #twitternewschat |
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1:48 am
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justinNXT:
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#wjchat Q9 Schools should develop degrees to respond to needs, changes in media and their own ideas. 25 degrees is like Old Country Buffet |
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1:48 am
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kbeninato:
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Maybe add an emerging media platform class that professors can take from the top few students. #switcheroo @wjchat #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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tylerschance:
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RT @emilyingram: RT @oscarmartinez: These days, the ability to "unlearn" is as important as "learning." #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams I think the accountability and schedule of a newsroom can be useful. Even if web journalists don't answer to someone - #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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AmyZQuinn:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat journalism is not the property of the work process called "newsroom." or "story," for that matter. #wjchat |
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1:48 am
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NSlayton:
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@lisawilliams -- ethics and accountability are a must for any journalist. Have the facts, know what you're talking about. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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ohmgee:
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unlearn what you have learned. ? yoda <(. .)> #starwars #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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underoak:
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@MegsLeigh @ohmgee I'd like to see web/print design taught together. Add text/typography. Could be for ad/marketing majors too. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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macloo:
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Q9 I like simplicity. To me, Mizzou's new curriculum seems too complicated. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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NSlayton:
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@ohmgee Eh, the "do or do not, there is no try" thing was a bit too objectivist for my taste. #wjchat |
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1:49 am
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macloo:
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@KimFatica A niche as what? The niche of niches? #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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laurakeeley:
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agreed. RT @NSlayton I think the newsroom isn't dying, just evolving to something new. Newspapers or the format/structure won't die #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat Q9 I really wish I had gotten a degree in economics or political science some days. I'm kinda dumb. #25holycrap #wjchat #wxwtf |
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1:50 am
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KimFatica:
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@macloo II'm also of the belief it's important to understand old school. It's the base for what all of us do every day. #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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wjchat:
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Well, that's it! Thank you all for joining the lively #wjchat conversation. We'll see you next week! |
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1:50 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat I believe journalism will survive the death of its institutions. Journalism doesn't belong to those institutions. #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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NSlayton:
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@andymboyle I look at my econ and bio med roommates and question my major choice. But journ is world changing and a passion. #wjchat |
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1:50 am
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tylerschance:
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Headed out, folks! thanks for the follows and good talk! 'gnight #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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NSlayton:
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Great #wjchat everyone! We may not all agree, but I love hearing everyone's perspectives. It makes me excited for the next semester. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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andymboyle:
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@wjchat I agree. Jobs require diversification RT @macloo: Q9 I like simplicity. To me, Mizzou's new curriculum seems too complicated #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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MegsLeigh:
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RT @underoak: @MegsLeigh @ohmgee I'd like to see web/print design taught together. Add text/typography. Could be for ad/marketing majors too. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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KimFatica:
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@wjchat I am currently working on my MBA, not my M.A. or M.S. I got the journalism down, but need to strengthen other areas. #wjchat |
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1:51 am
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macloo:
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Hey, everyone, thanks for coming to #wjchat! I enjoyed it! |
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1:52 am
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kimbui:
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G'night guys, and thanks for the constructive criticism! #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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lindaperrybarr:
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What he said: RT @webjournalist find your peers & profs that get it & want to innovate.. then go rogue! Don't settle. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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dblanchard:
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@wjchat great chat as always! Thanks to all the new follows, look forward to continuing these discussions! #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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glennluther:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat I believe journalism will survive the death of its institutions. Journalism doesn't belong to those institutions. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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webjournalist:
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@NSlayton @lisawilliams @rohanv During orientation, I gave a talk & told students I was there to recruit them to save journalism. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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wcochran:
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Thanks to everyone. Got some good ideas for a fall class. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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laurakeeley:
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@hgondo great at teaching you to write. But journalism now is so much more than just writing #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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dailycharlie:
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Exactly! RT @lisawilliams #wjchat ? journalism will survive the death of its institutions. Journalism doesn't belong to those institutions. |
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1:52 am
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NSlayton:
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See everyone next week, same bat-time, same bat-tweetchat. #wjchat |
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1:52 am
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webjournalist:
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Big thanks to @macloo for being our host tonight! Thank you Mindy!! #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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NSlayton:
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@webjournalist I like that a lot! I think my peers, and myself, need to really be motivated. We should do what we love, and save it. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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greglinch:
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Props to the always awesome @macloo -- I think this was the largest/most active #wjchat I've ever seen. |
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1:53 am
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ohmgee:
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@underoak @MegsLeigh not possible in one class. be a design major too. school isnt' enough. keep learning outside and after college. #wjchat |
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1:53 am
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BrianManzullo:
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Thanks to @macloo and to everyone for chatting tonight! Awesome talking to everyone, as usual! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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dblanchard:
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@greglinch I think you're right. It was tough to keep up at times! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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killbutton:
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Thanks @macloo for joining us tonight. Hope some of the ideas make their way into academia. Future looks bright from here! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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mckennaewen:
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#wjchat I'd take summer school if @macloo was teaching. Thanks for the fun chat! |
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1:54 am
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ethanklapper:
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Awesome time, and thanks much to @macloo. Glad to be back after my unintentional #wjchat sabbatical! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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acnatta:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat ...journalism will survive the death of its institutions. Journalism doesn't belong 2 those institutions. #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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kbeninato:
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Great stuff, thanks. RT @webjournalist Big thanks to @macloo for being our host tonight! Thank you Mindy!! #wjchat |
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1:54 am
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hgondo:
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@greglinch Agreed! I had fun! #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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marygazze:
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@NSlayton @dailycharlie @andymboyle @buythebookcvcom @macloo @JustinNXT @tylerschance @hgondo @pjames @glennluther tx for the #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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rohanv:
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@webjournalist You spoke to us in @fuzheado 's class about it too. You should get everyone at the school in on stuff like #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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acnatta:
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Thanks @macloo! Next week folks... #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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NSlayton:
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Can we form some journalism institute? I feel like we could all help advise/revitalize journalism. The Web Journalist Institute? #wjchat |
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1:55 am
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ohmgee:
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what's the scheduled time for #wjchat? #noob #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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hgondo:
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@ohmgee 8-10 PM EST #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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NSlayton:
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@tauhidchappell @marygazze @kimbui @webjournalist @macloo @lisawilliams Thanks for all the great points. I learned a lot! #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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MegsLeigh:
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@ohmgee @underoak Exactly, I was a self-taught designer. I learned with what was out there and experimented on my own. #wjchat |
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1:56 am
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ColleenAlmeida:
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RT @girljournalist: Just throwing this out there - I think we need teach j-students to think like marketers about audiences,goals,strategies,measuring. #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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hgondo:
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@marygazze thanks to you too! im looking up carleton university; know any good pros there? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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lisawilliams:
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#wjchat future-j think tank: http://civic.mit.edu/
#wjchat |
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1:57 am
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underoak:
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Thanks, and pardon to others for noisiness. My school tools: proportion wheels, pica poles and computer punch cards. #keeplearning #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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andymboyle:
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@marygazze You're quite welcome. Remember: Only you can prevent tweetblog technology disruption startups from VCing America. #USAUSA #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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ohmgee:
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@hgondo every wednesday? #wjchat |
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1:57 am
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bberwyn:
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wow, fast-paced! thx @wjchat #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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hgondo:
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@ohmgee yes Wednesday 8-10 PM EST #wjchat |
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1:58 am
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emilymonacelli:
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AH. #wjchat was really hard to follow via phone. Must make it to a computer next week. #dizzy |
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1:59 am
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CindyRoyal:
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Great chat. Enjoyed it folks! #wjchat |
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1:59 am
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sswalker:
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J-students: see this discussion #wjchat on j-schools/journalism. #twitternewschat |
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1:59 am
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ohmgee:
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@MegsLeigh i was self-taught too. just played and explored. technically illo major and only took lower division design classes. #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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ohmgee:
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@hgondo thank you! =) #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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kimbui:
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Real quick, if you guys have any suggestions or guest moderator nominations, please send to @wjchat! #wjchat |
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2:00 am
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macloo:
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If anyone felt outpaced by the lively chatting - see the archive here - http://bit.ly/bHUsoy #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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macloo:
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@NSlayton You're welcome! Thanks for coming and playing. #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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CindyRoyal:
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Agreed & doesn't go far enough in terms of innov RT @macloo Q9 I like simplicity. Mizzou's new curriculum seems too complicated #wjchat |
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2:01 am
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macloo:
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@acnatta Glad you joined in! #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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macloo:
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@kbeninato Thanks for playing! Enjoyed your comments! #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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NSlayton:
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Oh yes, for any college students, check out the #cjchat, Sunday at 8pm EST. #wjchat |
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2:02 am
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TauhidChappell:
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Awesome chat. Thank you guys so much! #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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macloo:
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@marygazze @ethanklapper @McKennaEwen @killbutton @BrianManzullo @greglinch Thanks so much for all your participation! #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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macloo:
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@CindyRoyal Thanks for contributing! Great comments! #wjchat |
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2:03 am
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ethanklapper:
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@macloo Thank YOU! #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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girljournalist:
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I'm kinda over what we've been calling "multimedia." I've been teaching it for yrs, but I'm not seeing the value in the real world. #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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macloo:
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@webjournalist Thanks, Robert, for inviting me! #wjchat |
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2:04 am
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Amadeus3000:
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We really need to get this print edition wrapped up earlier so I can fully participate in #wjchat. |
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2:05 am
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girljournalist:
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Has anyone found a way to monetize slideshows? Does anyone besides us watch them? Why are we so obsessed w/ them? #wjchat |
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2:06 am
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NSlayton:
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@girljournalist Maybe if they're done for sites like Design Studios or something like that. #wjchat |
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2:07 am
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digiphile:
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@girljournalist "Monetize slideshows?" Let me introduce you to @hblodget, who puts tweets, slides & tawdry pics into them weekly. #wjchat |
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2:08 am
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UncommonJulie:
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@NSlayton If you do create one - let me know! (just discovered #wjchat and will follow the string next time!) |
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2:08 am
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ohmgee:
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@MegsLeigh i would LOVE to teach! #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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MegsLeigh:
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@ohmgee Me too!! Teaching is so much fun, especially when folks really want to learn. #wjchat |
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2:09 am
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NSlayton:
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@UncommonJulie Hey, if I could find a way to make that a career/monetize it, I'd try to convince @webjournalist and @kimbui to do it #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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mknevin:
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RT @gotoplanb: Going through anything without being somewhat overwhelmed is a waste ? like going to the gym and not sweating. #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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verbalcupcake:
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@girljournalist Used a slideshow of L.A. Riots ('92) in one class this semester. I like them as "historical record." #wjchat |
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2:11 am
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ohmgee:
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@girljournalist i like calling everything just "media." done. =) #wjchat |
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2:12 am
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lisawilliams:
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RT @mknevin: RT @gotoplanb: Going through anything without being somewhat overwhelmed is a waste ? like going to the gym and not sweating. #wjchat |
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2:15 am
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verbalcupcake:
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@ohmgee Yeah...it seems "media" already implies the "multi." #wjchat |
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2:17 am
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sethclewis:
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Ditto RT @CindyRoyal: @lisawilliams I try to prepare students for digital media careers in any field/ broaden definition of "media" #wjchat |
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2:19 am
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SarahJNichols:
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@macloo #wjchat For j-schl students in journ educ, need more practical exper as part of curric. Rapid changes while you're in school. |
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2:21 am
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ohmgee:
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@verbalcupcake along with "old" and "new" media. =P #wjchat |
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2:24 am
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jordangreenyes:
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RT @lisawilliams: #wjchat 1 entrepreneurial skills: if you really wanna do journalism, don't let a little thing like not getting a job stop ya. Make your own. |
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2:28 am
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TauhidChappell:
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@NSlayton @Bobfine thank you for the mentions :-) Great chat tonight. #wjchat |
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2:28 am
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onlyandrewn:
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RT @marygazze: Q8 J-School should teach freelancing! Teaching how to write pitch letters is not enough. I was toally unprepared post-graduation #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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onlyandrewn:
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@howellspace I do agree journalists need to be taught entrepreneurial skills. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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JaredGoyette:
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RT @girljournalist: Just throwing this out there - I think we need teach j-students to think like marketers about audiences,goals,strategies,measuring. #wjchat |
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2:36 am
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TauhidChappell:
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RT @glennluther: KILLER IDEA: RT @macloo RT @marygazze: Q8 J-School should teach freelancing! ... I was toally unprepared post-graduation #wjchat |
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2:46 am
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SuperDu:
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Yeah, including contracts! RT @marygazze J-School should teach freelancing! ...totally unprepared post-grad #wjchat via @macloo @glennluther |
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2:50 am
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AsianStig:
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@NSlayton ha ha good one. You must be a Top Gear fan as well :) #wjchat |
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2:54 am
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ladansusan:
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@wjchat this is what I do out of fear of starting my huge j-school law paper #wjchat www.ladannekoomaram.com |
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2:55 am
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VisualSemantics:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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3:01 am
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glennluther:
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@SuperDu especially contracts. #wjchat |
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3:13 am
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ladansusan:
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Haha, fail @laureninspace RT @lisawilliams: I swear if I hear "I'm not a computer person" in an intern interview one more time... #wjchat |
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3:25 am
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suzanneyada:
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Looks like I missed a juicy #wjchat on j-schools. We did a big #collegejourn chat a year ago. Does it overlap? http://ow.ly/1TnRv |
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3:42 am
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manymeadows:
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RT @dblanchard: Dustin Blanchard here. Mizzou grad a few years back. Reporter / MMJ looking for a job right now. http://www.dustinblanchard.com #wjchat |
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3:48 am
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fleurang:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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4:28 am
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sarahbleau:
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RT @Brizzyc: Great #wjchat now, esp. valuable for students! Q3 had so many good curriculum ideas from students, but so hard to get faculty to accept :( |
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4:42 am
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jerryenglehart:
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RT @twburton: j-school isn't relevant if the goal is traditional media job. Is relevant if you learn to be a self-publishing journalist. #wjchat |
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4:42 am
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meg_e_martin:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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4:46 am
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laurakeeley:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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4:47 am
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MarketingMan123:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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4:52 am
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eglinski:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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5:07 am
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tehgeekmeister:
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RT @killbutton: When I contacted Nat Geo before college to see what they wanted out of a writer, they said major in something other than journalism. #wjchat |
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6:15 am
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alexthompson716:
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RT @webjournalist: Q7 After understanding the foundations of journalism, the goal should be exposure to all media, but mastery of one or two. #wjchat |
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6:15 am
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alexthompson716:
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RT @twburton: j-school isn't relevant if the goal is traditional media job. Is relevant if you learn to be a self-publishing journalist. #wjchat |
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6:43 am
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MoonShirey11030:
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The responsibilities of ensuring that the blog is functioning well are stacked upon your shoulders http://bit.ly/d4y0Z1 #wjchat |
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8:14 am
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DevonCoulson105:
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Admittedly, not many people have this so it can be truly challengin http://bit.ly/cwo9GF #wjchat |
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8:16 am
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rob15959:
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RT @macloo: Welcome @ohmgee to #wjchat! You can catch up here - http://bit.ly/bHUsoy |
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10:42 am
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tedeschini:
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A Urbino lo fanno già RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalism students should be required to build something. A project, website... |
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11:48 am
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jclassnotebook:
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reading #wjchat responses to Mizzou new j-school curriculum gives me courage to admit: I don't get it. |
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1:00 pm
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ppagani:
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RT @mckennaewen: @Jamesco @notblue I want to build a website that gives tweeple the "social media guru" title if they can find it on the web. #wjchat |
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1:48 pm
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mckwessling:
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RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalism students should be required to build something. A project, website, business or app. Just BUILD something! |
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2:02 pm
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thorstone137:
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RT @mexicoreporter this is my new London-based feed: @thevideoreport please switch over. #wjchat |
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2:04 pm
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amyjobr:
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RT @gotoPlanB: Going through anything without being somewhat overwhelmed is a waste -- like going to the gym and not sweating. #wjchat |
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2:17 pm
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nathangibbs:
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Do you fact-check content before retweeting? RT @NiemanLab: Clarifying a questionably sourced tweet http://j.mp/arL0cb #wjchat #pubmedia |
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2:30 pm
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AU_SOC:
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AU_SOC: RT @MacDivaONA Is J-school relevant? #wjchat discussion tonight - Wed 8PM EDT. Guest host: @macloo. Send Qs... http://bit.ly/9CkhS9 |
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2:47 pm
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RobinJP:
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. @TauhidChappell check out the #wjchat archives for 1-(wo)man-band episode. http://bit.ly/aV6KwR we talked tools |
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3:03 pm
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webjournalist:
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RT @kimbui: Real quick, if you guys have any suggestions or guest moderator nominations, please send to @wjchat! #wjchat |
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3:15 pm
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thorstone137:
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@wjchat Check out @thevideoreport I bet she'd have a lot of great insight to offer the conversation. She's been at it for awhile! #wjchat |
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3:33 pm
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macloo:
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New blog post: Is J-school relevant? Summary of last night's #wjchat ! http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl |
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3:42 pm
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andybechtel:
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RT @macloo: New blog post: Is J-school relevant? Summary of last night's #wjchat ! http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl |
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3:43 pm
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kellblazek:
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I missed it. Thanks for the recap! RT @macloo New blog post: Is J-school relevant? Summary of last night's #wjchat ! http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl |
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3:57 pm
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CindyRoyal:
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@macloo have you tried this? http://wthashtag.com/wjchat 1043 tweets, in just a couple hours! #wjchat . Nice "view transcript" feature |
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3:57 pm
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RobinJP:
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great chat last night! great meeting you, Mindy. rt @macloo Is J-school relevant? Summary of last night's #wjchat ! http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl |
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4:10 pm
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Karlschneiderf:
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#KTF Is J-school relevant? (#wjchat): @killbutton Q1 Yes, because the foundation of journalism is SO important. Jo... http://bit.ly/adaRXK |
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4:16 pm
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alexgamela:
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Is J-school relevant? (#wjchat) http://ff.im/-lpEnn |
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4:20 pm
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twitt3rnews:
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Is J-school relevant? (#wjchat) - Source: Teaching Online Journalism http://ow.ly/17BsWa |
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4:22 pm
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jose_moreno:
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RT @alexgamela: Is J-school relevant? (#wjchat) http://ff.im/-lpEnn |
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4:24 pm
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MauraHernandez:
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So tell me, who am I going to run into at the @NAHJ convention in Denver in a few weeks? #journalism #wjchat #journchat #latism |
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4:28 pm
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alexisgrant:
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RT @macloo New blog post: Is J-school relevant? Summary of last night's #wjchat ! http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl |
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4:31 pm
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macloo:
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@CindyRoyal That's awesome! Thanks! http://bit.ly/aDyP2p - #wjchat - 1043 tweets, in just a couple hours! Nice "view transcript" feature. |
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4:35 pm
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archiemc:
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Is J-school relevant: http://bit.ly/aP9Zbl (via @macloo) #wjchat |
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5:03 pm
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macloo:
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Transcript of last night's #wjchat - Is J-school relevant? http://bit.ly/bpfdky |
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6:52 pm
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rob15959:
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RT @macloo: Transcript of last night's #wjchat - Is J-school relevant? http://bit.ly/bpfdky |
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7:02 pm
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RobinJP:
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NYC seeks Twitter guru: new position of chief digital officer pays $57K - $125K, @WSJNY reports http://on.wsj.com/9FEH3K #wjchat |
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7:07 pm
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AllVoicesWriter:
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Who would be interested in a Twitter chat re: citizen journalism &/or freelance writing in general? #writers #journalism #wjchat #journchat |
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7:30 pm
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marshallk:
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RT @RobinJP: NYC seeks Twitter guru: new position of chief digital officer pays $57K - $125K, @WSJNY reports http://on.wsj.com/9FEH3K #wjchat |
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7:32 pm
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Marc_Meyer:
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@RobinJP Thats a bizaare range for the position...57k to 125k? #wjchat |
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7:48 pm
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RexDixon:
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RT @RobinJP: NYC seeks Twitter guru: new position of chief digital officer pays $57K - $125K, @WSJNY reports http://on.wsj.com/9FEH3K #wjchat |
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9:50 pm
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jordanwinery:
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Agreed. RT @Marc_Meyer: @RobinJP Thats a bizaare range for the position...57k to 125k? #wjchat |
